Cardiff City

i have to say though, if argo changed the main kit from green, that would finish me off

Sneinton Green wrote:

does a debt on a football club really matter, none of the creditors EVER get paid back?

and the clubs just carry on as normal, so why not go for it and sod the consequences.

in fact, a good mantra for life.

sod your bank, live life like youll die tomorrow

Sad but true. HMRC lost their court case to change the football creditors rule again recently, and nothing will change while this rule applies.

Sneinton Green wrote:

i have to say though, if argo changed the main kit from green, that would finish me off

If we had a billionaire owner they could play in bleddy pink , as far as I'm concerned .

Pink Arrrmeeeeee !

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

Oh yeah? Because what I get from them is the impression that they would just love to see Argyle in the top division once in their lives. Sure they're pretty pessimistic, but I would suggest that the last 3 years haven't passed them by, which explains their attitude.

Maybe you see yourself as some kind of Argyle-supporting God who can decide who is a real supporter and who isn't; either way, it's a pretty arrogant and unpleasant statement.

Sneinton Green wrote:

in fact, a good mantra for life.

sod your bank, live life like youll die tomorrow

Sadly, I think it's the bankers themselves that have followed that mantra.... Sod your customers, live life like you'll die tomorrow.
And of course, this is the way many of the rich have always viewed life... but then they are instilled with different things at their schools than that written on the state blackboards. I only wish most normal folk would have the courage to indeed live life to the full, then perhaps the rich wouldn't be so rich .... can't see it happening though .. too much fear out there for most.

Penz wrote:

Sneinton Green wrote:

in fact, a good mantra for life.

sod your bank, live life like youll die tomorrow

Sadly, I think it's the bankers themselves that have followed that mantra.... Sod your customers, live life like you'll die tomorrow.
And of course, this is the way many of the rich have always viewed life... but then they are instilled with different things at their schools than that written on the state blackboards. I only wish most normal folk would have the courage to indeed live life to the full, then perhaps the rich wouldn't be so rich .... can't see it happening though .. too much fear out there for most.

Wise words

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

Why are those comments so unbelievable though Pete? It's a fact that clubs like Cardiff,Swansea,Reading,Blackpool,Burnley HAVE done better than us,in spite of the seeming moral outrage expressed by some Argyle fans, and are likely to remain superior both in terms of league position and fanbase for many years to come.Tring is correct,exactly the same thing happened back in the 1960's,a clutch of clubs such as Southampton,Palace,Coventry,QPR,Norwich and Ipswich overtook us,becuase they had the bottle to keep their best players and build around them,rather than sell at the first opportune moment-it can't really be denied that their superiority still applies.The common denominator about both sets of circumstances is that,without exception,none of those clubs were in a better situation than Argyle to push on and actually achieve something better than another relegation-surely that must tell you something about the mentality and inadequacies of Argyle boards through the years from a business point of view? I prefer to remember back 8 years rather than 18 months and the import of cheapjack Scottish signings and free transfer junk that was brought in to "consolidate" our position in the CCC-players such as Makel,Lasley,Milne,Crawford,Gudjohnson and Taylor were players simply not up to the CCC,a drain on the wages and ultimately a disastrous false economy,because the sub standard results obtained by those players led a to a loss of momentum and a diminution of the fanbase which was never reversed.You get what you pay for in the end-if Argyle had elected to truly strengthen the squad with some good players who really improved the team,then you may be talking about a very different football club now-in the same league both actually and figuratively,as the ones mentioned previously.Argyle don't seem to do things that way though unfortunately.

Greenskin wrote:

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

Why are those comments so unbelievable though Pete? It's a fact that clubs like Cardiff,Swansea,Reading,Blackpool,Burnley HAVE done better than us,in spite of the seeming moral outrage expressed by some Argyle fans, and are likely to remain superior both in terms of league position and fanbase for many years to come.Tring is correct,exactly the same thing happened back in the 1960's,a clutch of clubs such as Southampton,Palace,Coventry,QPR,Norwich and Ipswich overtook us,becuase they had the bottle to keep their best players and build around them,rather than sell at the first opportune moment-it can't really be denied that their superiority still applies.The common denominator about both sets of circumstances is that,without exception,none of those clubs were in a better situation than Argyle to push on and actually achieve something better than another relegation-surely that must tell you something about the mentality and inadequacies of Argyle boards through the years from a business point of view? I prefer to remember back 8 years rather than 18 months and the import of cheapjack Scottish signings and free transfer junk that was brought in to "consolidate" our position in the CCC-players such as Makel,Lasley,Milne,Crawford,Gudjohnson and Taylor were players simply not up to the CCC,a drain on the wages and ultimately a disastrous false economy,because the sub standard results obtained by those players led a to a loss of momentum and a diminution of the fanbase which was never reversed.You get what you pay for in the end-if Argyle had elected to truly strengthen the squad with some good players who really improved the team,then you may be talking about a very different football club now-in the same league both actually and figuratively,as the ones mentioned previously.Argyle don't seem to do things that way though unfortunately.

I have to agree with you, we should of tried harder to keep our players SEB, Buz, Norris etc and it was a clear indication of just how out of his depth Stapleton was and the carp we replaced them proved it was also a false economy. However, we are where we are now so the problem lies not retaining quality players but actually acquiring them and improving the stadium. It seems a tall order having just come out of admin so how exactly do we do that? It seems a fair few on here want a 27000+ stadium that Brent cannot or will not fund (20000 with the ability to expand is not ambitious enough for some). We also need 4 or 5 proper footballers to significantly improve the side. So how on earth do the visionaries see how we are going to do that?

When will Argyle fill a 20K plus stadium.Your NOT a big club,never have been,never will be.

When will Argyle fill a 20K plus stadium.Your NOT a big club,never have been,never will be.

Didn't mean to send a double post.Having some problems tonight.

downthetrack wrote:

Didn't mean to send a double post.Having some problems tonight.

Sending it twice doesn't make your 311 average gates any bigger DTT

downthetrack wrote:

Didn't mean to send a double post.Having some problems tonight.

You certainly are not. It seems just the same nonsense as usual. And saying it twice doesn't make it any less so.

If the Gas could've held a lead.it would be hello conferance now.
But they didn't

We would still have been big - the league would have got smaller, that's all.

downthetrack wrote:

If the Gas could've held a lead.it would be hello conferance now.
But they didn't

If whoever drew man united out before your crowd back in 2005 had drawn port vale it would be hello Tiverton. But they didn't, don't even go there.

Bogsider wrote:

downthetrack wrote:

If the Gas could've held a lead.it would be hello conferance now.
But they didn't

If whoever drew man united out before your crowd back in 2005 had drawn port vale it would be hello Tiverton. But they didn't, don't even go there.

Short memory me.

fridgey wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Can't believe some of the comments on this thread (Tringreen and Freathy really)

Have the last 18 months just completely passed you by?

You aren't Argyle supporters.

Why are those comments so unbelievable though Pete? It's a fact that clubs like Cardiff,Swansea,Reading,Blackpool,Burnley HAVE done better than us,in spite of the seeming moral outrage expressed by some Argyle fans, and are likely to remain superior both in terms of league position and fanbase for many years to come.Tring is correct,exactly the same thing happened back in the 1960's,a clutch of clubs such as Southampton,Palace,Coventry,QPR,Norwich and Ipswich overtook us,becuase they had the bottle to keep their best players and build around them,rather than sell at the first opportune moment-it can't really be denied that their superiority still applies.The common denominator about both sets of circumstances is that,without exception,none of those clubs were in a better situation than Argyle to push on and actually achieve something better than another relegation-surely that must tell you something about the mentality and inadequacies of Argyle boards through the years from a business point of view? I prefer to remember back 8 years rather than 18 months and the import of cheapjack Scottish signings and free transfer junk that was brought in to "consolidate" our position in the CCC-players such as Makel,Lasley,Milne,Crawford,Gudjohnson and Taylor were players simply not up to the CCC,a drain on the wages and ultimately a disastrous false economy,because the sub standard results obtained by those players led a to a loss of momentum and a diminution of the fanbase which was never reversed.You get what you pay for in the end-if Argyle had elected to truly strengthen the squad with some good players who really improved the team,then you may be talking about a very different football club now-in the same league both actually and figuratively,as the ones mentioned previously.Argyle don't seem to do things that way though unfortunately.

I have to agree with you, we should of tried harder to keep our players SEB, Buz, Norris etc and it was a clear indication of just how out of his depth Stapleton was and the carp we replaced them proved it was also a false economy. However, we are where we are now so the problem lies not retaining quality players but actually acquiring them and improving the stadium. It seems a tall order having just come out of admin so how exactly do we do that? It seems a fair few on here want a 27000+ stadium that Brent cannot or will not fund (20000 with the ability to expand is not ambitious enough for some). We also need 4 or 5 proper footballers to significantly improve the side. So how on earth do the visionaries see how we are going to do that?

This visionary sees that Brent is happy to play the long waiting game. To expect the missing thousands to 'buy in' to his sustainable growth model, just isn't going to bear much fruit. The likes of Webby can bang his drum, Newell can auction memorabilia to Nikkk, the GT's can be banana'd up for years, buckets can be rattled to speed up paying off Brent's debts and the GAS can feel important. None of this will bring about the belief in the latent fanbase that the club means business.
Cash backed ambition is required. Maybe, instead of non walleted directors, he should be looking for investors to actually buy a share of the club and to gamble their money on players and staff, a cut above the rest in the lower leagues, to give the club an obvious edge. If people see real intent and the results/ football improve, they will begin to be inspired enough to give their support and repay said investment.

For some success equals survival, or is it just an acceptance that we're shyte without admitting to it?

The day we dump those that claim such a mediocre and mundane existence will be the day we really do reach the promised land!

I have been banging this particular drum ever since Brent appeared over the horizon, if you take on the responsibility of running Argyle you should be aiming at all costs to keep us as a football league club. Running a team (that lets face it is never going to challenge for promotion even in this league) is a mighty gamble. What if we don't get the magic start that some are predicting? What if we fail to replace Macca? What if Purse, Maxine, Wotton and Chadders all picked up long term injuries? We would be in the conference quicker than you could say that Porkus is a lying hypocrite.

GOB wrote:

For some success equals survival, or is it just an acceptance that we're shyte without admitting to it?

The day we dump those that claim such a mediocre and mundane existence will be the day we really do reach the promised land!

Morning Gob

Couldn't agree more with you. Another season like last would be unacceptable and staying out of the clutches of the Conference this season would be deemed by most a failure. But I dont think were alone in that. James Brent certainly does not accept survival as success by his public announcements, nor does Carl Fletcher.

But like most things in life, balance is key and I expect by the time the season starts we will have a squad strong enough and deep enough to be in the top half rather than the bottom. Then we need a bit of Lady Luck when it comes to suspensions, injuries, loss of form, which inevitably means the difference between up or staying put.

Whilst at the same time progress is made off the field to replace the Grandstand and as at least as important, have a plan to radically improve the training facilities.