They do like us

I would also like to add that Rickler was able to provide excellent legal advice after several legal threats (to ATD) from a Pasoti owner (who is no longer a Pasoti Mod, but he can sticky posts).

Greenjock wrote:

Mrrapson wrote:

Pete1886 wrote:

Pete, I remember seeing you said you were one of the staff who went unpaid at Argyle, just wondering which department you worked in?

Its not hospitality!!!

JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED MY REPLY ON THE OTHER THREAD 20 MINUTES AGO LEIGH, HERE IT IS AGAIN AS YOU'RE NOW POSTING ON THIS THREAD

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There are several problems with your reply Leigh. Firstly the Newell Files did not originate from Tring or Rickler, I know that, so how did they falsify it? Ian Newell did property searches on Ricklers home address in Los Angeles, as you do to pass the time when you are ever so slightly deranged, had numerous photographs of him, to masturbate over is your answer, I would say as part of a "hit list" which included several other ATD posters, so that he could point these people out to others if the time arose, andhe DID order or ask for a friend to "hit" Ricklers e-mail account, and asked for an explanation of what the hit was, and was told that once he logs in to it, he wouldn't be able to log out.

Now you can turn a blind eye to it all if you like, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I spoke to a very good friend of Newell's for over an hour on the telephone recently, who told me that in "real life" he was a great bloke, but when it came to the internet he was an obsessive and I believe the the word used to describe Ian Newell on the internet was a dickhead.

You also say that you don't know that he set up the spoof site ADT, which portrayed people on this site as paedophiles, into gay bondage, one female poster who contributes to the Argyle program free of charge as a whore, and had a picture of a swimming pig which was said to be Trings wife. So excuse me if Tring and Rickler aren't his biggest fans, but I can totally understand why that might be. This isn't assumption on my part, he had screenshots of the site before it had the abusive posts put on it. You don't have to take my word for it either, the Newell Files site had over 2,000 hits on it so there are plenty of others who will confirm this. And before you ask, no it wasn't me who set up the Newell Files either. I hadn't heard of Flickr before it had been published and wouldn't know where to start to go about setting up a blog. I was contacted by the instigator as I was one of the people who's private details were stored by Mr Newell. Obviously because we are such close friends I suppose?

Knecht has answered your point about the information being stored on a PRIVATE account, which was set to allow PUBLIC viewing Leigh, and anyway doesn't answer the small matter of why he had this information stored in the first place.

And I'm sorry that I estimated his Pasoti accounts at 50+ because I couldn't remember the exact amount shown on The Newell Files, but I know it was around 60.

Why don't you ask your buddy to explain some or all of this when he contacts you next? I'm sure it would be fun to hear his excuses and watch him sweating in this cool weather.

Leigh if you want to brand people madmen or nutters or whatever, please don't forget our friend Mr Newell, because he is the head honcho in the sandwich short of a picnic brigade, but then that doesn't fit in with your agenda does it?

I'm not saying that Tring or Rickler are totally blameless in all this shit that goes on between ATD and Pasoti, but they sure as shit have been provoked to say the least.

And as for him doing so much more for the club than I ever will, I don't dispute that at all, but he's also carried out an awful lot more devious and underhand crap than I would ever have even been able to think up and wouldn't dream of doing. A bit like saying that Adolf Hitler did an awful lot more for the German motorway infrastructure by introducing the autobahns to the country, than I ever will. And I don't dispute that either Leigh.

Not had chance to read and consider my reply yet. Dont think you need to be that impatient jock.

Rickler.

You are lying. You did have moderator privileges because you edited a post of mine to remove your name because you didn't want anyone to know you were on the mod forum .

Further you sent me a PM admonishing me and being very condescending in its tone to tell me that you had done it and nobody needed to know you had mod status.

Well then do you or Andy care to comment on these?

Quote :

- I didn't see the point in elections if Tring was just going to co-opt people onto the Mod Board without consultation or a Mod vote. That's how Rickler came to be there, whatever Tring may try to claim.

-Tring gave a promise that he would not stand if a suitable Constitution for ATD was put into place. It was. He didn't. I have an intense dislike of people who don't know how to behave honourably.

- Peggy was basically bullied off the Mod team by Tring and Rickler.

- The whole 'Cherry Tree Cabal' thing was used as a stick to beat a few of us who dared to meet up for a pint before a game. Tring may claim that it was said in jest. From where I viewed it, it was said with spite and as a clear attempt to create a 'them and us' situation. Thankfully, enough ATDers have been to a Freak Meet to know that it is exactly as advertised - a few beers before the match.

- When Rickler had his Mod privileges withdrawn, Tring attempted to bully and blackmail the rest of the team into accepting him back, telling us that if he wasn't allowed back, he and Rickler would 'go public' with information they held, and they would 'bring the rest of us down with them'.

We may argue online, but Andy is a good guy who I have shared a pint with. I know who I believe here.

Cerbera wrote:

Rickler.

You are lying. You did have moderator privileges because you edited a post of mine to remove your name because you didn't want anyone to know you were on the mod forum .

Further you sent me a PM admonishing me and being very condescending in its tone to tell me that you had done it and nobody needed to know you had mod status.

I don't consider that a privilidge. It was a neccassity.

Because then... Just like earlier today... You betrayed everyones confidence because you didn't get your way.

And the facts of the matter are... I asked you to remove it and gave you the reasons why. You refused to do so. You broke the agreement that was put in place before you even became a mod. So I was forced to do it for you!

You really are a spiteful little man, who because he didn't get reelected is going to drag this website through the mud.

pilgrim_pete wrote:

I seem to be generating a fanbase!

CA, there are no mod elections on Pasoti. Nor do there claim to be. And I don't think anyone cares about that. I personally think the ATD elections were just a publicity stunt to say "Look at how democratic we are". Sensible mod co opting decisions, like getting Andy on board is certainly acceptable. But secret co opting of a good friend to become a mod.. Strange isn't it?

Pete1886, why?

However if you doubt me, Leigh Rapson, Andy Symons and maybe a few others on here can vouch for me (in fact Andy used to rip me about my shoes on a regular basis)

If you thought the mod election on here was a "stunt" you are dimmer than I gave you credit for. Have you not read the heat that has been generated subsequently, of course you have. Free election of moderators is a basic principle of this site unlike Pasoti where the moderation team has been exposed for riding roughshod over their own rules. There will be another election next year and if I, or any of my fellow mods, overstep the mark or start to treat this website as a private fiefdom we'll be up the road faster than you could say deep throat. There are plenty of commited posters on here who will be willing to step up to the plate to keep this site open to all opinions.

You are as welcome to post here as anybody, but don't try to hold Pasoti up as some paragon of virtue and not expect a contra view.

Rickler wrote:

Cerbera wrote:

Rickler.

You are lying. You did have moderator privileges because you edited a post of mine to remove your name because you didn't want anyone to know you were on the mod forum .

Further you sent me a PM admonishing me and being very condescending in its tone to tell me that you had done it and nobody needed to know you had mod status.

I don't consider that a privilidge. It was a neccassity.

Because then... Just like earlier today... You betrayed everyones confidence because you didn't get your way.

And the facts of the matter are... I asked you to remove it and gave you the reasons why. You refused to do so. You broke the agreement that was put in place before you even became a mod. So I was forced to do it for you!

You really are a spiteful little man, who because he didn't get reelected is going to drag this website through the mud.

You don't consider that a privilige? Oh well that's ok then.

I don't consider theft a crime so I'm off to PC World.

Stop digging Rickler. Cerbs is doing nothing wrong.. The truth hurts and you and your mate Tring are finally being outed. I reckon if you two went for good you'd see a spike in memberships

Charlie Wood wrote:

pilgrim_pete wrote:

I seem to be generating a fanbase!

CA, there are no mod elections on Pasoti. Nor do there claim to be. And I don't think anyone cares about that. I personally think the ATD elections were just a publicity stunt to say "Look at how democratic we are". Sensible mod co opting decisions, like getting Andy on board is certainly acceptable. But secret co opting of a good friend to become a mod.. Strange isn't it?

Pete1886, why?

However if you doubt me, Leigh Rapson, Andy Symons and maybe a few others on here can vouch for me (in fact Andy used to rip me about my shoes on a regular basis)

If you thought the mod election on here was a "stunt" you are dimmer than I gave you credit for. Have you not read the heat that has been generated subsequently, of course you have. Free election of moderators is a basic principle of this site unlike Pasoti where the moderation team has been exposed for riding roughshod over their own rules. There will be another election next year and if I, or any of my fellow mods, overstep the mark or start to treat this website as a private fiefdom we'll be up the road faster than you could say deep throat. There are plenty of commited posters on here who will be willing to step up to the plate to keep this site open to all opinions.

You are as welcome to post here as anybody, but don't try to hold Pasoti up as some paragon of virtue and not expect a contra view.

Absolutely Charlie. Respect your comments and I will always expect an argument when I try to stick up for Pasoti.

In your view.. Has Tringreen not overstepped the mark by privately co opting a mod and giving him mod priveliges?

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Charlie Wood wrote:

pilgrim_pete wrote:

I seem to be generating a fanbase!

CA, there are no mod elections on Pasoti. Nor do there claim to be. And I don't think anyone cares about that. I personally think the ATD elections were just a publicity stunt to say "Look at how democratic we are". Sensible mod co opting decisions, like getting Andy on board is certainly acceptable. But secret co opting of a good friend to become a mod.. Strange isn't it?

Pete1886, why?

However if you doubt me, Leigh Rapson, Andy Symons and maybe a few others on here can vouch for me (in fact Andy used to rip me about my shoes on a regular basis)

If you thought the mod election on here was a "stunt" you are dimmer than I gave you credit for. Have you not read the heat that has been generated subsequently, of course you have. Free election of moderators is a basic principle of this site unlike Pasoti where the moderation team has been exposed for riding roughshod over their own rules. There will be another election next year and if I, or any of my fellow mods, overstep the mark or start to treat this website as a private fiefdom we'll be up the road faster than you could say deep throat. There are plenty of commited posters on here who will be willing to step up to the plate to keep this site open to all opinions.

You are as welcome to post here as anybody, but don't try to hold Pasoti up as some paragon of virtue and not expect a contra view.

Absolutely Charlie. Respect your comments and I will always expect an argument when I try to stick up for Pasoti.

In your view.. Has Tringreen not overstepped the mark by privately co opting a mod and giving him mod priveliges?

tring makes IJN look like a st!

To the best of my knowledge, and I'm not privy to all that was discussed prior to the elections it was not as straightforward as you suggest. And my current responsibilities would suggest nobody in the present or previous moderating teams should be releasing discussions that, morally, should be confidential.

We now have a constitution to reinforce that stance. We try to be as open as possible, do you think a thread like the election results would have even appeared on Pasoti, let alone be left, not locked "done to death" etc etc and deleted. At the end of the day some confidences have to be respected.

Hope that helps.

What confidences Charlie?
I was attacked without provocation by two internet bullies that I have never met simply because I wouldn't tell Ian Newell to F--k off. Why should I do that? I have no row with either Ian or Pasoti or Chris.
The simple sad fact is that neither Trying nor Rickler can accept that ATD is not their personal vehicle to launch attacks from.
Tring co opted Rickler but won't admit it. Tring offered a referendum and to stand down and then went back on his word. They both liketo portray themselves as victims but they are both as guilty as each other.

I see on Pasoti Rapson sympathises with Cerbs for his unsuccessful attempts to create Pasoti mk2

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=66937&start=30

More evidence of attempted Pasotification it seems

I believe that this whole situation arose because the team that ran ATD were threadbare to say the least. If Rickler was using Trings mod account to stir the shit- that was wrong, period, even if the justification was trying to expose the Flikr scandal. The fact that we have now had elections should put peoples minds at rest that we are democratic, let the mods. also realise that just because they are stirring shit about pasoti doesn't give them the right to act like the Deepthroat crew, that is why most posters on here have crossed the line, I think I speak for many when I say I hate all that shit.
Notice also that the pasoti thread has the usual suspects on there and the thread only stays because it is anti- ATD, the only difference between the two sites is that we would also allow a thread to remain if it was critical of ATD.

punchdrunk wrote:

I see on Pasoti Rapson sympathises with Cerbs for his unsuccessful attempts to create Pasoti mk2

http://www.pasoti.co.uk/talk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=66937&start=30

More evidence of attempted Pasotification it seems

Not at all punchy. Was thinking more along the lines that I sympathise with him because he had to put up with a few tw@s on here.

I like this site because it's not Pasoti, not because I want it to be like Pasoti. Might be difficult to Get your mind around but I dare say if you strain hard enough you might just manage, don't strain too hard though mate, you'll pull a muscle.

Cerbera wrote:

What confidences Charlie?
I was attacked without provocation by two internet bullies that I have never met simply because I wouldn't tell Ian Newell to F--k off. Why should I do that? I have no row with either Ian or Pasoti or Chris.
The simple sad fact is that neither Trying nor Rickler can accept that ATD is not their personal vehicle to launch attacks from.
Tring co opted Rickler but won't admit it. Tring offered a referendum and to stand down and then went back on his word. They both liketo portray themselves as victims but they are both as guilty as each other.

The more you post Cerbera the more you appear like a poodle. Sad really as I thought you had something more about you. Respect lost. Man up or feck off

Cerbera wrote:

What confidences Charlie?
I was attacked without provocation by two internet bullies that I have never met simply because I wouldn't tell Ian Newell to F--k off. Why should I do that? I have no row with either Ian or Pasoti or Chris.
The simple sad fact is that neither Trying nor Rickler can accept that ATD is not their personal vehicle to launch attacks from.
Tring co opted Rickler but won't admit it. Tring offered a referendum and to stand down and then went back on his word. They both liketo portray themselves as victims but they are both as guilty as each other.

I've slept on this one Cerbs, and am only replying here rather than by PM as the members of this site have voted for me to moderate it and I feel obliged to let them know my feelings.

If a site has a private moderation board it should be self evident that the content of that would be confidential. Unfortunate as that is because it lays the moderators of this site open to the criticism that this site is no different to how Pasoti is run. That is why this thread is left open to give members some insight as to what goes on. Unfortunately the thread on the mod board that detailed all the background to this dispute was deleted, by Gob I believe, before the newly elected mods had the opportunity to view it and come to their own judgement on past events. And that's just what they are, past events.

ATD remains open to all opinions and knowing you personally I don't see you as a one to be bullied, you can stand your corner robustly and I hope you stay as a valuable poster, where you are welcome to argue for your vision for the future of this site. I would say the same thing to Punchy as well.

If the members of this site don't have confidence in their elected moderators, then truly we will have been "pasotified".

Iggy wrote:

I believe that this whole situation arose because the team that ran ATD were threadbare to say the least. If Rickler was using Trings mod account to stir the shit- that was wrong, period, even if the justification was trying to expose the Flikr scandal. The fact that we have now had elections should put peoples minds at rest that we are democratic, let the mods. also realise that just because they are stirring shit about pasoti doesn't give them the right to act like the Deepthroat crew, that is why most posters on here have crossed the line, I think I speak for many when I say I hate all that shit.
Notice also that the pasoti thread has the usual suspects on there and the thread only stays because it is anti- ATD, the only difference between the two sites is that we would also allow a thread to remain if it was critical of ATD.

I agree this could be put to bed. But Tringreen has been re-elected (had this come out before I reckon he wouldn't have) so what's to stop him pulling the same stunt?

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Rickler wrote:

Cerbera wrote:

Rickler.

You are lying. You did have moderator privileges because you edited a post of mine to remove your name because you didn't want anyone to know you were on the mod forum .

Further you sent me a PM admonishing me and being very condescending in its tone to tell me that you had done it and nobody needed to know you had mod status.

I don't consider that a privilidge. It was a neccassity.

Because then... Just like earlier today... You betrayed everyones confidence because you didn't get your way.

And the facts of the matter are... I asked you to remove it and gave you the reasons why. You refused to do so. You broke the agreement that was put in place before you even became a mod. So I was forced to do it for you!

You really are a spiteful little man, who because he didn't get reelected is going to drag this website through the mud.

You don't consider that a privilige? Oh well that's ok then.

I don't consider theft a crime so I'm off to PC World.

Stop digging Rickler. Cerbs is doing nothing wrong.. The truth hurts and you and your mate Tring are finally being outed. I reckon if you two went for good you'd see a spike in memberships

Newell has treated 'the overseas pairing' like an itch he couldn't scratch for years. Through his 'friendship' with Cerbs he hoped to discredit and get us removed. We've heard it all before. He tried it with Frank too.'Get rid of those two and you'll have a nice little forum. You can even have yourself photographed with me and the Pres !'
The reality of course, is that now there are many who hold Nool and the farm in such contempt but dear old Ian found the man to help take a couple down with him.

It shouldn't and won't work.

Iggy wrote:

I believe that this whole situation arose because the team that ran ATD were threadbare to say the least. If Rickler was using Trings mod account to stir the shit- that was wrong, period, even if the justification was trying to expose the Flikr scandal. The fact that we have now had elections should put peoples minds at rest that we are democratic, let the mods. also realise that just because they are stirring shit about pasoti doesn't give them the right to act like the Deepthroat crew, that is why most posters on here have crossed the line, I think I speak for many when I say I hate all that shit.
Notice also that the pasoti thread has the usual suspects on there and the thread only stays because it is anti- ATD, the only difference between the two sites is that we would also allow a thread to remain if it was critical of ATD.

Iggy, it was not my decision to co-opt Rickler on either occasion. It was a decision made by admin, which I'm sure Frank Bullitt and others will bear witness to. Rickler had in the first instance, legal advice to offer and more recently because he was high profile on Nool's flickr stash of obsessiveness and illegality. Rickler was and still is, in personal communication with the D&C Police.

Why did Rickler have to be a mod to offer legal advice?

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Why did Rickler have to be a mod to offer legal advice?

He didn't did he, it's a convenient excuse to cover the fact that in real terms try are not better than what they accuse Ian of!

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Why did Rickler have to be a mod to offer legal advice?

Because he could then put his suggestions to all of us in the mod room together and we could discuss. He has never acted as a mod.

GOB similarly, was co-opted by admin, as was Rickler.

I've heard that Frank Bullitt will be making a statement later today, as someone not 'involved' but trying to keep the peace and to ensure that accusations of bullying or illegal access to admin etc are put to bed once and for all.
It's the old trick of throw enough mud at a wall and some of it will stick.
I have nothing to hide and done nothing wrong.
The truth will come out, one way or another.

Mrrapson wrote:

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Why did Rickler have to be a mod to offer legal advice?

He didn't did he, it's a convenient excuse to cover the fact that in real terms try are not better than what they accuse Ian of!

Really Leigh? No better than Ian?

Is twelve hours waiting for a reply still being impatient?

There are several problems with your reply Leigh. Firstly the Newell Files did not originate from Tring or Rickler, I know that, so how did they falsify it? Ian Newell did property searches on Ricklers home address in Los Angeles, as you do to pass the time when you are ever so slightly deranged, had numerous photographs of him, to masturbate over is your answer, I would say as part of a "hit list" which included several other ATD posters, so that he could point these people out to others if the time arose, andhe DID order or ask for a friend to "hit" Ricklers e-mail account, and asked for an explanation of what the hit was, and was told that once he logs in to it, he wouldn't be able to log out.

Now you can turn a blind eye to it all if you like, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I spoke to a very good friend of Newell's for over an hour on the telephone recently, who told me that in "real life" he was a great bloke, but when it came to the internet he was an obsessive and I believe the the word used to describe Ian Newell on the internet was a dickhead.

You also say that you don't know that he set up the spoof site ADT, which portrayed people on this site as paedophiles, into gay bondage, one female poster who contributes to the Argyle program free of charge as a whore, and had a picture of a swimming pig which was said to be Trings wife. So excuse me if Tring and Rickler aren't his biggest fans, but I can totally understand why that might be. This isn't assumption on my part, he had screenshots of the site before it had the abusive posts put on it. You don't have to take my word for it either, the Newell Files site had over 2,000 hits on it so there are plenty of others who will confirm this. And before you ask, no it wasn't me who set up the Newell Files either. I hadn't heard of Flickr before it had been published and wouldn't know where to start to go about setting up a blog. I was contacted by the instigator as I was one of the people who's private details were stored by Mr Newell. Obviously because we are such close friends I suppose?

Knecht has answered your point about the information being stored on a PRIVATE account, which was set to allow PUBLIC viewing Leigh, and anyway doesn't answer the small matter of why he had this information stored in the first place.

And I'm sorry that I estimated his Pasoti accounts at 50+ because I couldn't remember the exact amount shown on The Newell Files, but I know it was around 60.

Why don't you ask your buddy to explain some or all of this when he contacts you next? I'm sure it would be fun to hear his excuses and watch him sweating in this cool weather.

Leigh if you want to brand people madmen or nutters or whatever, please don't forget our friend Mr Newell, because he is the head honcho in the sandwich short of a picnic brigade, but then that doesn't fit in with your agenda does it?

I'm not saying that Tring or Rickler are totally blameless in all this shit that goes on between ATD and Pasoti, but they sure as shit have been provoked to say the least.

And as for him doing so much more for the club than I ever will, I don't dispute that at all, but he's also carried out an awful lot more devious and underhand crap than I would ever have even been able to think up and wouldn't dream of doing. A bit like saying that Adolf Hitler did an awful lot more for the German motorway infrastructure by introducing the autobahns to the country, than I ever will. And I don't dispute that either Leigh.

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GJ, I agree.

TG and Rickler have no doubt been provoked.

But so was Joey Barton on Sunday, yet people have no problem throwing a load of shit at him.

Tringreen wrote:

pilgrim_pete wrote:

Why did Rickler have to be a mod to offer legal advice?

Because he could then put his suggestions to all of us in the mod room together and we could discuss. He has never acted as a mod.

GOB similarly, was co-opted by admin, as was Rickler.

I've heard that Frank Bullitt will be making a statement later today, as someone not 'involved' but trying to keep the peace and to ensure that accusations of bullying or illegal access to admin etc are put to bed once and for all.
It's the old trick of throw enough mud at a wall and some of it will stick.
I have nothing to hide and done nothing wrong.
The truth will come out, one way or another.

He has never acted as a mod.. So then would you care to comment on Ricker's own admission that he edited one of Cerbrera's posts?