self employed

Subject: self employed Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:52 pm

It be rumoured that the staff have been asked to go self employed, meaning they won't be earning any wages during the close season.

It maybe our centre of excellence manager (allan evans) is leaving very soon because of this?

Has anyone heard anything on this rumour?

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There will be a massive backlash against Brent if this is true. For the staff's sake I hope it's not.

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Frank Bullitt wrote:: There will be a massive backlash against Brent if this is true. For the staff's sake I hope it's not.

Can't see it being true . Been self employed all my life . To be truly self employed certain criteria have to be met . Its just not feasible The Inland Revenue have tightened up on this over the years .

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It wouldn't suprise me in the least. We're non-league for the long haul - if we survive (unlikely). If brent did do this I'm sure he would be allowed to get away with it.

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Subject: Re: self employed Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:09 pm

I find it hard to believe as well - how could they possibly qualify as self employed?

But, could they be turned into 'seasonal' workers?

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The club is going all Trago Mills

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I tend to agree with GG, the criteria for being self employed doesn't suit this agenda although I know dozens upon dozens of companies that still operate under this basis and get away with it. It'll bring down a mighty ton of shyte if it turns out to be true though.

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I've just read the pasoti rumours thread on this. Someone seems to have knowledge of this but surely they have their facts slightly wrong? I know some cricketers only get paid during the English season then venture off to Australia or South Africa to coach or play in the winter, so maybe it could happen?

If it is true I would like to hear a certain trade union reps view on it. It would definitely show if principles have gone out of the window completely.

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Subject: Re: self employed Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:30 pm

Sounds pretty unbelievable.Hope its not what it seems,as FB says,there could be a lot of excrement hitting the fan about this.

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The Club President would be all over this at least privately. I can't believe it would be allowed to happen under his watch.

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I wouldn't take a blind bit of notice of that GG, plenty ignore it and only tonight I was chatting with a self employed guy that broke every single bit of that criteria.

I can't see someone as professional as Brent doing it though, it's generally small contractors in construction that try it on or illegal sweatshops.

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Whilst nothing much shocks me in this life anymore I find this one hard to believe. Given what Brent said previously about the staff and their treatment himself, despite his 5 year wage repayment plan, he would get slaughtered everywhere. Whilst I seldom do demonstrations these days I think this would cause one and I would definately join in.

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If you work at the same place for the same person all the time, then broadly speaking HMR + C define you as employed and not self employed. Especially if your hours of work and pay don't change.

Can't see this as any more than a silly rumour.

On the other hand, if Brent can make it work then he will save a fortune in PAYE which HMR +C won't like.

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Like Dougie said Trago have done it for years and pretty sure they still do. I suppose we could all meet up and have lots of BBQ's throught he summer to pay their wages? lol!

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Brent wont even 'break the rules' and get hp sponsored, let alone bring about another to and fro at court with hmrc. surely this is someones idea of a wind up

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Iggy wrote:: Like Dougie said Trago have done it for years and pretty sure they still do. I suppose we could all meet up and have lots of BBQ's throught he summer to pay their wages?

Trago were stopped from doing this a long time ago by HMRC . A long time ago.

Subject: Re: self employed Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:35 am

greengenes wrote:

Iggy wrote:: Like Dougie said Trago have done it for years and pretty sure they still do. I suppose we could all meet up and have lots of BBQ's throught he summer to pay their wages?

Trago were stopped from doing this a long time ago by HMRC . A long time ago....

in a galaxy far far away? Very Happy

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Dougie wrote:: The Club President would be all over this at least privately. I can't believe it would be allowed to happen under his watch.

I wish I shared your certainty ...

I do know there's been one or two people over the years who've worked for the club as self-employed contractors, but might be viewed as staff from the outside. Let's hope this is the case here, as the latest posts on the thread over there seem to indicate.

Subject: Re: self employed Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:06 am

Well I think it could be planning ahead for the Blue Square Wink

Why pay staff when the local superfans will work for nothing for the key to the executive toilets ? jocolor

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Tringreen wrote:: Well I think it could be planning ahead for the Blue Square

Why pay staff when the local superfans will work for nothing for the key to the executive toilets ?

Now that Tring may well be believable.

Subject: Re: self employed Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:20 am

Grovey has put a question about this on the 'James Brent/ director Q&A' pasoti thread'.

Subject: Re: self employed Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:34 am

Tringreen wrote:: Well I think it could be planning ahead for the Blue Square

Why pay staff when the local superfans will work for nothing for the key to the executive toilets ?

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Dougie wrote:: The Club President would be all over this at least privately. I can't believe it would be allowed to happen under his watch.

Gut feeling Dougie - I agree.

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Do any other clubs operate this way?

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