Chinese Virus May Have Infected Hundreds

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

In previous years, not that long ago, lying to the country, lying to Parliament, getting massive contracts for your mates and generally being incompetent were all causes for resignations, or 'victims' of a cabinet reshuffle.

But politics doesn't work like that any more, least as far as the Tories are concerned. You don't need to be competent or have any sort of expertise, you just have be a supporter of the leader. What other explanation is there for a cabinet that still contains Williamson, who has shown on many occasions that he is totally out of his depth. Patel, found guilty of breaking the ministerial code but still in the job as her boss decided that didn't matter. Jenrick, who saved his mate millions by fiddling the planning regulations, but it was ok, because he didn't think that he did anything wrong.

And now Hancock, who will get away with this because he has the support of the leader. Finally Boris, who lies every day, but later on says he didn't say that, and even if he did it doesn't matter, because people should be grateful for all the important things that he does.

It has been a complete shambles, there is little doubt that people have died because of the Government's actions, or lack of as the case may be, saved only by the vaccinations, which, thank goodness, has been taken out of the hands of the private sector and given to the NHS.

Of course, Johnson should go, Hancock should be already gone, Patel, Williamson etc etc the list goes on.

Will they? Of course not. The only safe job these days is in Boris's cabinet.

The truth is they have always been corrupt the difference is before Brexit you never cared about it like the rest of the population, you've obviously forgotten about David Blunkett Home Secretary who fiddled £50k on his mortgage expenses and kept his job by offering a simple apology? Blair with his lies about Saddam and Iraq have cost hundreds of thousands of lives yet he got a knighthood.

harvetheslayer wrote:

Not all the Tories were stupid. This was from Rory Stewart who I particulary liked for my own reasons in the earlier leadership election. The date was 9th March 2020 following Johnson missing yet another Cobra meeting "No justification for half hearted measures"

These deaths didn't need to occur. Exactly what Cummings told all under oath

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Rory Stewart lol, a cross between James Blunt and Jacob Reece Mogg he's the epitome of the old school public school boy Tory. He's a Remainer though so you can ignore all his other obvious failings.

lol

Earwegoagain wrote:

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

In previous years, not that long ago, lying to the country, lying to Parliament, getting massive contracts for your mates and generally being incompetent were all causes for resignations, or 'victims' of a cabinet reshuffle.

But politics doesn't work like that any more, least as far as the Tories are concerned. You don't need to be competent or have any sort of expertise, you just have be a supporter of the leader. What other explanation is there for a cabinet that still contains Williamson, who has shown on many occasions that he is totally out of his depth. Patel, found guilty of breaking the ministerial code but still in the job as her boss decided that didn't matter. Jenrick, who saved his mate millions by fiddling the planning regulations, but it was ok, because he didn't think that he did anything wrong.

And now Hancock, who will get away with this because he has the support of the leader. Finally Boris, who lies every day, but later on says he didn't say that, and even if he did it doesn't matter, because people should be grateful for all the important things that he does.

It has been a complete shambles, there is little doubt that people have died because of the Government's actions, or lack of as the case may be, saved only by the vaccinations, which, thank goodness, has been taken out of the hands of the private sector and given to the NHS.

Of course, Johnson should go, Hancock should be already gone, Patel, Williamson etc etc the list goes on.

Will they? Of course not. The only safe job these days is in Boris's cabinet.

The truth is they have always been corrupt the difference is before Brexit you never cared about it like the rest of the population, you've obviously forgotten about David Blunkett Home Secretary who fiddled £50k on his mortgage expenses and kept his job by offering a simple apology? Blair with his lies about Saddam and Iraq have cost hundreds of thousands of lives yet he got a knighthood.

You're not getting it are you. I know you want to bring everything back to Brexit as the rabid brexiteers always do, but this isn't about that.

Yes, there there always has been corruption in all political parties, but these new ERG inspired Tories are taking it to a new level. You can always tell when a politician is moving away from the democracy that elected him/her by the willingness to be questioned or to be challenged, by the opposition, the media, whoever it may be. Johnson hides from that, simply because he thinks he should not be challenged over anything. He denies saying things when it is on the record and as long as his supporters within Government toe the line, they can get away with anything. That's not democracy, that's autocracy.

Further proof is the upcoming visit to Britain by the autocratic Hungarian leader Orban, one of the most far right politicians in the World, let alone Europe. Why would Johnson welcome such an individual. A wonderful trade deal perhaps? Unlikely, as Hungary remains in the EU. No meetings arranged with our European allies, Germany, France, Spain etc etc.

Perhaps, Orban wants the lowdown on how to leave the EU, how simple it is and how wonderful things will be afterwards. If there is to be a break up of the EU, Johnson will want to be at the heart of it no doubt.

Visit to Moscow on the cards?

All speculation I know, but there is no doubt that this Government is moving more and more to the right, which inevitably means more control over the population.

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harvetheslayer wrote:

Not all the Tories were stupid. This was from Rory Stewart who I particulary liked for my own reasons in the earlier leadership election. The date was 9th March 2020 following Johnson missing yet another Cobra meeting "No justification for half hearted measures"

These deaths didn't need to occur. Exactly what Cummings told all under oath

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Rory Stewart lol, a cross between James Blunt and Jacob Reece Mogg he's the epitome of the old school public school boy Tory. He's a Remainer though so you can ignore all his other obvious failings.

Always thought old Rory would have made a first class template for the Boglin puppet company.

PlymptonPilgrim wrote:

You're not getting it are you. I know you want to bring everything back to Brexit as the rabid brexiteers always do, but this isn't about that.

Yes, there there always has been corruption in all political parties, but these new ERG inspired Tories are taking it to a new level. You can always tell when a politician is moving away from the democracy that elected him/her by the willingness to be questioned or to be challenged, by the opposition, the media, whoever it may be. Johnson hides from that, simply because he thinks he should not be challenged over anything. He denies saying things when it is on the record and as long as his supporters within Government toe the line, they can get away with anything. That's not democracy, that's autocracy.

Further proof is the upcoming visit to Britain by the autocratic Hungarian leader Orban, one of the most far right politicians in the World, let alone Europe. Why would Johnson welcome such an individual. A wonderful trade deal perhaps? Unlikely, as Hungary remains in the EU. No meetings arranged with our European allies, Germany, France, Spain etc etc.

Perhaps, Orban wants the lowdown on how to leave the EU, how simple it is and how wonderful things will be afterwards. If there is to be a break up of the EU, Johnson will want to be at the heart of it no doubt.

All speculation I know, but there is no doubt that this Government is moving more and more to the right, which inevitably means more control over the population.

Rabid brexiteers? Immediately your invective side comes to the fore. The reality is that Leavers had every reason to be infuriated when jiggery-pokery saw an illustration of the ballet paper with a pen craftily poised next to the remain box. Certain they would win, the remain faction behaved "appallingly" after realising a democratic vote saw them beaten ... and you've got the nerve to talk about the inevitability of "more control over the population." Attempting to snatch their victory was snatched from them.

Hugh Midde wrote:

Rabid brexiteers? Immediately your invective side comes to the fore. The reality is that Leavers had every reason to be infuriated when jiggery-pokery saw an illustration of the ballet paper with a pen craftily poised next to the remain box. Certain they would win, the remain faction behaved "appallingly" after realising a democratic vote saw them beaten ... and you've got the nerve to talk about the inevitability of "more control over the population." Attempting to snatch their victory was snatched from them.

Sorry, that was sent before completion. In a nutshell, to ignore the "leavers victory" would hand control back to Whom? the reality is that ATDs remainer covern would gladly see the UK back in the stifling hands of 28 unelected commissioners whereby all the "control" so recently snatched back would be lost forever. They can go inseminate themselves.

"Our European allies, Germany, France and Spain. Hahahahaha

And what exactly is your connection with Sucina ?

This Indian variant has the ability to decimate the younger unvaccinated set
Only my oldest of 5 has had his first jab and the other two (in UK) completely unprotected

God forbid if any of these 3 catch this latest variant introduced by Johnson

harvetheslayer wrote:

This Indian variant has the ability to decimate the younger unvaccinated set
Only my oldest of 5 has had his first jab and the other two (in UK) completely unprotected

God forbid if any of these 3 catch this latest variant introduced by Johnson

Get a grip Harve.
The young always mix a lot more than us oldies. It’s almost inconceivable that they won’t have already been exposed to the virus probably been asymptotic & consequently already have antibodies.
Vulnerable groups of young people will have already been vaccinated.
The demographic of these latest outbreaks is very specific in terms of areas, but we or the media can’t talk about that.
Those hospitalised are primarily those who have already refused the vaccine.
But yes, you’re right about the variant. It shouldn’t have had an opportunity to get here quite so easily.

Out of my two boys the eldest will have his jab (28) youngest will have it if he needs it to travel (25) and my 25 year old daughter in law who is three months pregnant was going to get it but is now wavering because of side affects and her pregnancy. None of them know anybody in their age group that has had any alarming symptoms from actually catching the virus. They don't see it as a threat to themselves mainly because it isn't. I think if it's proven the young are holding back the unlock I'd expect at least my other boy to have the jab.
Boris for once has dne the right thing with his jab rollout it's the only thing he has nailed.

Lets see what our ultra populist leader does on the 21st June
With the Indian variant doubling roughly every week only a complete fool would remove all restrictions on the 21st (as we know he is a fool)

However our hero has seen a slight drop in the ratings (apparently) in polls yesterday over Cummings and aborting that "freedom day" in just over 3 weeks will not go down well with his fan boys

Just a pity Starmer is seen as so weak currently

(Out of interest there were a lot of people in Morrisons Peverall yesterday with no masks on. Have not seen to that high level before)

Got my second jab on Tuesday at Home Park my missus and one of my mates got called into doctors last week three weeks early for there second jab, Boris doing a splendid job with the jab.

Had my second jab yesterday.

Have not seen it worded in a better way....
Decency will prevail to all those that currently despair at the utter filth running our Country. We will get it back.

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harvetheslayer wrote:

Have not seen it worded in a better way....
Decency will prevail to all those that currently despair at the utter filth running our Country. We will get it back.

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That's bollocks and has been widely reported that Boris followed Cummings advice and set up a separate committee to administer the vaccine rollout because in Cummings words "the health department is not fit for purpose", so no it's just the NHS that takes the credit, in fact it's about the only thing the government as whole has done right in the last twelve months.

The sooner we have an American insurance based system the better, Nigel Farge was right all along.

Speaking as someone who is a chronic pain sufferer from having an "urgent" spinal operation put back for two years in 2005 I would agree with anybody that says the current setup and funding of the NHS leaves a lot to be desired and has done for years. Not just Tories and fook all to do with Brexit.

Look at NHS Track and Trace, £37 Billion in the NHS's pocket for feck all, it is a disgrace.

Why doesn't Boris take it back and give it to an outside agency?

seadog wrote:

Look at NHS Track and Trace, £37 Billion in the NHS's pocket for feck all, it is a disgrace.

Why doesn't Boris take it back and give it to an outside agency?

Don't the NHS deserve all the credit for track and trace as well? Lol.

What does Johnson do. He really is caught between a rock and a hard place. Delay the 21st and the country squeals understandably but cause more deaths and that dangling 2nd leg will be in the Old Bailey joining the 1st

Got to delay in my opinion. Common sense has to prevail

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Earwegoagain wrote:

Speaking as someone who is a chronic pain sufferer from having an "urgent" spinal operation put back for two years in 2005 I would agree with anybody that says the current setup and funding of the NHS leaves a lot to be desired and has done for years. Not just Tories and fook all to do with Brexit.

I hope you are fit and well now Mr E, as I can understand your pain after watching my son suffer from a prolapsed disc - the pain was such he was often in tears.

Unfortunately, much of the NHS budget goes on the private finance initiative (PFI) which was first introduced by John major's government although spending really went ballistic under Tony Blair's stewardship. My first link gives you some idea of the colossal figures involved while the second link highlights Swindon's hospital which I picked out at random. I recommend you read the Swindon link as it shows the interest worked out by the hospital finance staff is about £8-12m higher than a bog-standard bank loan - and if changes aren't made the hospital will never be out of deficit. Strewth!!!


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After all lets not forget how deep the shit Johnson is already in..........

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More made up figures. Wanker.

Never ask a Remainer for stats.

Cost this guy the life of his mother

Will cost this smirking vile creature his liberty. Hancock openly knew it was bare faced lie. Frankly its not even corporate manslaughter with 30,000 deaths.

Why our whole country is not up in arms over this is quite startling. 15th April 2020 from Hancocks own twitter feed

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