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harvetheslayer
Posts : 7795 Join date : 2015-04-02 Location : Wormwood Scrubs awaiting the imminent arrival of Johnson..
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:20 am | |
| - Hugh Watt wrote:
- I think someone should set up a petition to Bring Back Brent as chairman and Webby as president.
Hallett has to be careful here. Season tickets will undoubtably be down quite a high percentage next season probably at least 30%. The mankover is clearly eating cash right left and centre and news of the cladding company apparently folding with Argyles dosh wont improve matters. Hallett cant afford any type of administration again when he's got £6 million of his own bunce tied into the club and potentially losing 99% plus as all creditors did previously. Something is badly amiss at HP and its not only the eleven on the pitch |
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Yea Man
Posts : 1405 Join date : 2016-02-19
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:51 am | |
| Should have waited until we were established in league one before even considering redevelopment. But then that doesn't fit in with the plan to make money from the property. |
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Jethro
Posts : 8363 Join date : 2013-01-03 Age : 34 Location : Dorset
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:05 am | |
| - Yea Man wrote:
- Should have waited until we were established in league one before even considering redevelopment. But then that doesn't fit in with the plan to make money from the property.
this |
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Rickler
Posts : 6529 Join date : 2011-05-10 Location : Inside the mind...
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:27 pm | |
| - Jethro wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
- Should have waited until we were established in league one before even considering redevelopment. But then that doesn't fit in with the plan to make money from the property.
this You actually believe in the established theory? There is nothing in football more ridiculous. Would you care to explain how 'being established' keeps you from getting relegated? |
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Yea Man
Posts : 1405 Join date : 2016-02-19
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:36 pm | |
| - Rickler wrote:
- Jethro wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
- Should have waited until we were established in league one before even considering redevelopment. But then that doesn't fit in with the plan to make money from the property.
this You actually believe in the established theory? There is nothing in football more ridiculous. Would you care to explain how 'being established' keeps you from getting relegated?
Established as in a team which is solid enough to compete with most teams in the league, comfortable mid table/upper table team that doesn't need significant investment. At the moment all funds going on the grandstand should have been on the first team budget to enable Adams to strengthen where needed to ensure we could consolidate and become established/comfortable in league one ready to push on. Not relegation fodder. Established in a league seems a fairly common expression in this country amongst many football pundits on both sky and the football league highlights show. |
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Rickler
Posts : 6529 Join date : 2011-05-10 Location : Inside the mind...
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:22 pm | |
| - Yea Man wrote:
At the moment all funds going on the grandstand should have been on the first team budget to enable Adams to strengthen where needed to ensure we could consolidate and become established/comfortable in league one ready to push on. Not relegation fodder.
That's impossible. It would break the EFL rules. ..and as for football pundits using the word "established". Not surprising... Most of them can't form a sentence without using a cliche. |
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Yea Man
Posts : 1405 Join date : 2016-02-19
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:47 pm | |
| - Rickler wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
At the moment all funds going on the grandstand should have been on the first team budget to enable Adams to strengthen where needed to ensure we could consolidate and become established/comfortable in league one ready to push on. Not relegation fodder.
That's impossible. It would break the EFL rules.
..and as for football pundits using the word "established". Not surprising... Most of them can't form a sentence without using a cliche. Gates of 10k average should mean a decent budget, even with the limits these days. All on the team and not on a grandstand we don't yet need. Allow Adams to build a competitive squad pushing at the right end of the table then refurb the grandstand properly and within a timescale to allow it to be used ASAP. You only have to look at the various social media outlets to see more and more think the grandstand is a bad idea/timing. |
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Rickler
Posts : 6529 Join date : 2011-05-10 Location : Inside the mind...
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:05 pm | |
| - Yea Man wrote:
- Rickler wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
At the moment all funds going on the grandstand should have been on the first team budget to enable Adams to strengthen where needed to ensure we could consolidate and become established/comfortable in league one ready to push on. Not relegation fodder.
That's impossible. It would break the EFL rules.
..and as for football pundits using the word "established". Not surprising... Most of them can't form a sentence without using a cliche. Gates of 10k average should mean a decent budget, even with the limits these days. All on the team and not on a grandstand we don't yet need. Allow Adams to build a competitive squad pushing at the right end of the table then refurb the grandstand properly and within a timescale to allow it to be used ASAP. You only have to look at the various social media outlets to see more and more think the grandstand is a bad idea/timing. I agree that a 10K average should mean that our budget is better than most other clubs at our level or lower. However... The grandstand is/was needed now. Aside from the revenue generating argument, the thing was falling down fer chrissakes. I'm surprised it wasn't condemned. ..and tbh... The more and more "social media" thinks it's a bad idea probably means it's a good one. You really want the likes of Harve and Dunlop guiding policy? The Graham Clarks' of this world are definitely a minority. |
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Yea Man
Posts : 1405 Join date : 2016-02-19
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:07 pm | |
| - Rickler wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
- Rickler wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
At the moment all funds going on the grandstand should have been on the first team budget to enable Adams to strengthen where needed to ensure we could consolidate and become established/comfortable in league one ready to push on. Not relegation fodder.
That's impossible. It would break the EFL rules.
..and as for football pundits using the word "established". Not surprising... Most of them can't form a sentence without using a cliche. Gates of 10k average should mean a decent budget, even with the limits these days. All on the team and not on a grandstand we don't yet need. Allow Adams to build a competitive squad pushing at the right end of the table then refurb the grandstand properly and within a timescale to allow it to be used ASAP. You only have to look at the various social media outlets to see more and more think the grandstand is a bad idea/timing. I agree that a 10K average should mean that our budget is better than most other clubs at our level or lower. However... The grandstand is/was needed now. Aside from the revenue generating argument, the thing was falling down fer chrissakes. I'm surprised it wasn't condemned.
..and tbh... The more and more "social media" thinks it's a bad idea probably means it's a good one. You really want the likes of Harve and Dunlop guiding policy? The Graham Clarks' of this world are definitely a minority. Can't argue with that last bit to be fair What we need is a properly funded grandstand, which we have. But not one that is also taking funds away from the team which by all accounts it is or has. |
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Rickler
Posts : 6529 Join date : 2011-05-10 Location : Inside the mind...
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:49 pm | |
| - Yea Man wrote:
What we need is a properly funded grandstand, which we have.But not one that is also taking funds away from the team which by all accounts it is or has. Says who? Somebody on "social media" again? ..and they would know, how? I was under the impression it was two separate pots? Simon Hallett had once agreed to fund a grandstand without pillars - had the board agreed it was worthwhile, (they didn't). So, with that in mind, I don't think Simon Hallett is short of the funds needed and wouldn't think twice at upping the loan amount for the grandstand if required. Anyway... Hasn't he already done that? Why on earth would he want to pillage his playing budget which is obviously tight as it is, when he doesn't have to? |
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Tringreen
Posts : 10917 Join date : 2011-05-10 Age : 74 Location : Tring
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:49 am | |
| When SH was interviewed shortly after becoming majority shareholder, he was asked about the unbudgeted income from the promotion season/transfer fees received/ Liverpool games etc estimated at over £2million. I'm sure he said that some had gone on Harper's Park, a £million for the grandstand roof and the rest had gone on 'day to day' running expenses [when bent was chairman]. |
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SteelCannon
Posts : 280 Join date : 2015-07-05 Age : 48 Location : Plymouth
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:16 am | |
| My take is, it’s a bit like these charities that send food to African countries. Pointless. Yes, it’ll keep them gong for a while, but then what? Better if we send the, money to educate them to grow and prepare their own food. Exactly the same here. Spending 6m on players would probably get us promoted. But then what? How are we going to fund keeping those players? This grandstand project is the ‘education’ which gives the Club it’s own non-matchday revenue stream. In 2019, a club cannot simply survive on gate receipts alone. And as someone else has already said...the damn thing was an eyesore and NEEDED doing.
I still think it should have been done without the sodding pillars though. All the steel used to make that roof structure could surely have been used to make a cantilever brace, but what do I know. I for one look forward to returning to the lower Mayflower when it’s finished.
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Yea Man
Posts : 1405 Join date : 2016-02-19
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:44 am | |
| Thing is with promotion to the Championship comes TV money as sky now show every game, higher sponsorship fees and higher ticket sales.
But then you'd be forking out more on wages and running costs. It's a viscous circle and we need someone who is actually willing to fund the club like pretty much every other club in the county does rather than trying to be a sustainable club.
Clubs like United aren't sustainable yet are the richest in the world. Sadly they have people willing to bankroll them. |
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Tringreen
Posts : 10917 Join date : 2011-05-10 Age : 74 Location : Tring
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:51 am | |
| - SteelCannon wrote:
- My take is, it’s a bit like these charities that send food to African countries. Pointless. Yes, it’ll keep them gong for a while, but then what? Better if we send the, money to educate them to grow and prepare their own food. Exactly the same here. Spending 6m on players would probably get us promoted. But then what? How are we going to fund keeping those players? This grandstand project is the ‘education’ which gives the Club it’s own non-matchday revenue stream. In 2019, a club cannot simply survive on gate receipts alone. And as someone else has already said...the damn thing was an eyesore and NEEDED doing.
I still think it should have been done without the sodding pillars though. All the steel used to make that roof structure could surely have been used to make a cantilever brace, but what do I know. I for one look forward to returning to the lower Mayflower when it’s finished.
And getting wet.................... I have always agreed with the need for increased income from better facilities but when I look at clubs that were our peers in underachievement in recent decades and look at their facilities now, ours are lower league. Swansea...Cardiff...Bristol City...Reading...Brighton...Hull...Huddersfield... |
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Czarcasm
Posts : 10244 Join date : 2011-10-23
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:41 am | |
| - Yea Man wrote:
- Thing is with promotion to the Championship comes TV money as sky now show every game, higher sponsorship fees and higher ticket sales.
But then you'd be forking out more on wages and running costs. It's a viscous circle and we need someone who is actually willing to fund the club like pretty much every other club in the county does rather than trying to be a sustainable club.
Clubs like United aren't sustainable yet are the richest in the world. Sadly they have people willing to bankroll them. If we are ever going to achieve ANYTHING, then of course you’re right. Investment from people who, as you say, are willing to do with Argyle what others do with dozens of other clubs. Being ‘sustainable’ in this day and age means one thing only - survival. If that’s all Argyle are ever hoping to do then the dream dies right there and then. |
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akagreengull Admin
Posts : 7624 Join date : 2012-01-12 Age : 68 Location : Mutant Abbot
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:39 am | |
| - Czarcasm wrote:
- Yea Man wrote:
- Thing is with promotion to the Championship comes TV money as sky now show every game, higher sponsorship fees and higher ticket sales.
But then you'd be forking out more on wages and running costs. It's a viscous circle and we need someone who is actually willing to fund the club like pretty much every other club in the county does rather than trying to be a sustainable club.
Clubs like United aren't sustainable yet are the richest in the world. Sadly they have people willing to bankroll them. If we are ever going to achieve ANYTHING, then of course you’re right. Investment from people who, as you say, are willing to do with Argyle what others do with dozens of other clubs. Being ‘sustainable’ in this day and age means one thing only - survival.
If that’s all Argyle are ever hoping to do then the dream dies right there and then. The Keep it cheap keep it ticking over culture that Bent brought to Argyle and now upheld by Hallett will NOT bring any meaningful footballing success either in the short or long term, sustainability in football terms means usually stagnation in terms of being a progressive football club on or off the field. Tha Championship is a million years away as it stands. The possibility of having a platinum dining experience while watching a team struggling in L2 is a real one. Enjoy. |
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harvetheslayer
Posts : 7795 Join date : 2015-04-02 Location : Wormwood Scrubs awaiting the imminent arrival of Johnson..
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:31 am | |
| The premium corporate memberships are having a very slow uptake albeit no one here will be surprised |
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Mook
Posts : 496 Join date : 2017-10-01 Location : Paignton
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:17 am | |
| All we need as a mega rich investor who can see the potential for a Premier league club in the south west of ENGERLAND!
Easy. |
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RegGreen
Posts : 6021 Join date : 2015-07-08
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:59 am | |
| - Mook wrote:
- All we need as a mega rich investor who can see the potential for a Premier league club in the south west of ENGERLAND!
Easy. surely there’s a Russian Cornishman somewhere |
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Elias
Posts : 6006 Join date : 2011-12-05 Location : brent out
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:54 pm | |
| No local wealthy person will be interested the club is considered a joke when will you realise that |
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Earwegoagain
Posts : 12371 Join date : 2017-09-09
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:47 pm | |
| Did anyone say we need a local benefactor? Chelsea Russian, Cardiff Thai, Manure American..... |
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Rickler
Posts : 6529 Join date : 2011-05-10 Location : Inside the mind...
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:08 pm | |
| - harvetheslayer wrote:
- The premium corporate memberships are having a very slow uptake albeit no one here will be surprised
LOl. Here we go... OK Harve, how many "corporate memberships" have been sold? How many pioneers are there? |
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Bob Crow
Posts : 1331 Join date : 2018-05-12 Location : Giving Lee Jameson's private detective the slip and runaround
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue May 07, 2019 2:45 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Well the Pioneers unsurprisingly have a new member. |
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Punchdrunk
Posts : 1939 Join date : 2016-02-18
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue May 07, 2019 2:58 pm | |
| 'commit to being a pioneer'
Reading that one would assume he has stumped up the bunce himself or as we suspected it's all part of his special AAA pass. |
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Earwegoagain
Posts : 12371 Join date : 2017-09-09
| Subject: Re: Nickkkkkk the prickkkkkkkk Tue May 07, 2019 3:27 pm | |
| Orrrrr Brent and his AA pass are both on their way out. To be fair to Nool he is a massive football fan supporting not only Argyle on occasion but also one of the most committed Man Utd fans outside of Manchester.the difference between him and most fans is that most fans would just buy the ticket they would not publicise the fact. |
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