"down to bare bones" for Tuesday Rochdale game.

Beat Scunny and we are in, draw or lose and well miss out.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Think we’re going to need to win all 3 to make it now.

Not a hope in hell with the injuries we have know. Burnt out at the business end of the season once again. Bit of a common occurence under the Austerity one ?!

Even last year we had a little wobble at the end although thankfully it only cost us the title and not promotion.

Even if we went up we'd have our arses kicked straight out of the CCC.

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

Angry wrote:

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

In what way?

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

In what way?

every season he seems to struggle or refuses to address our lack of options beyond a starting 11 he prefers and it always comes back to haunt us. the first season lack of anything to change a game cost us promotion, second season again we struggled to get over the line with promotion and lost the title that was ours in all but name and this season as soon as one player is injuried the team goes to shit and we have virtually nothing to replace that player with.

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

In what way?

every season he seems to struggle or refuses to address our lack of options beyond a starting 11 he prefers and it always comes back to haunt us. the first season lack of anything to change a game cost us promotion, second season again we struggled to get over the line with promotion and lost the title that was ours in all but name and this season as soon as one player is injuried the team goes to shit and we have virtually nothing to replace that player with.

So you think it's because of stubbornness that Del decides not to have a squad?

Earwegoagain wrote:

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

In what way?

every season he seems to struggle or refuses to address our lack of options beyond a starting 11 he prefers and it always comes back to haunt us. the first season lack of anything to change a game cost us promotion, second season again we struggled to get over the line with promotion and lost the title that was ours in all but name and this season as soon as one player is injuried the team goes to shit and we have virtually nothing to replace that player with.

So you think it's because of stubbornness that Del decides not to have a squad?

either that or he cant see the obvious that we need strength in depth and options on the bench not just sticking to a preferred 11.

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

In what way?

every season he seems to struggle or refuses to address our lack of options beyond a starting 11 he prefers and it always comes back to haunt us. the first season lack of anything to change a game cost us promotion, second season again we struggled to get over the line with promotion and lost the title that was ours in all but name and this season as soon as one player is injuried the team goes to shit and we have virtually nothing to replace that player with.

So you are saying that Adams allegedly not being up to scratch in terms of squad numbers is entirely due to his stubbornness and nothing to do with budgetary restrictions at all? You don't seriously think that Adams first choice as cover for Taylor would have been a crock from Scunthorpe do you? Or that a rookie from West Ham was first choice to replace Toums? Bit of a mainstream PASOTI argument in all truth.Think you need to get some perspective abouut what Adams has actually achieved at Argyle as well.I certainly don't agree with everything he says or does but when it boils down to it,the guy has rebuilt a squad virtually from scratch after a play off failure and taken it to a level which most supporters [including most on ATD]would have thought impossible and on very apparent budgetary restrictions-thats some haunting in my book, hope the next man can haunt just as well.

A 14 year long member of the Farm wrote the following and completely nails it post Rochdale

"The lack of squad has killed us. Someone, somewhere has to learn from this with spades. Our first team are promotion material but our first team with a few tweaks are relegation fodder"

Adams is at fault in so much as he allows Brent somewhat to get away with with his appropriating of a normal footballing budget elesewhere. I've said this before, but Adams seems to enjoy the "challenge" of a Calvinist frugality, and Brent preys on this character trait, even encourages it publicly. It's usury and on one side of the bed, a marriage made in heaven. Adams doesn't suffer from it as he still gets his brownie points from the football village that almost certainly know who's spending what. Not that Adams gives a fig whatever anyone else thinks about anything. His enforced departure from Ross suggests a remarkable desire to hear and see nothing.

Just look at the bench last night, two development players Fletcher and Rooney, Ainsworth (L2 standard at best), Songoo (not reliable for L1), Miller (Scottish 3rd division) and Letheren (decent signing), Taylor - Sinclair (deffo L1 standard).
Only 19yr Alex Fletcher as a replacement striker.
So a good point by the farm poster, it would have taken an immense amount of luck to get through a 46 plus game season without injuries at the tail end. But of course there is no plan B due to Jimmy's austerity/asset stripping management.

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Angry wrote:

It is so frustrating that yet again our lack of strikers is costing us dear. We wont make the playoffs and if we cant beat teams in the relegation zone we dont deserve to be in them.

Im not sure if i can squarely place the blame for our lack of squad depth at brents feet anymore im sure del bhey stubborness is the reason for it budget or no.

In what way?

every season he seems to struggle or refuses to address our lack of options beyond a starting 11 he prefers and it always comes back to haunt us. the first season lack of anything to change a game cost us promotion, second season again we struggled to get over the line with promotion and lost the title that was ours in all but name and this season as soon as one player is injuried the team goes to shit and we have virtually nothing to replace that player with.

So you are saying that Adams allegedly not being up to scratch in terms of squad numbers is entirely due to his stubbornness and nothing to do with budgetary restrictions at all? You don't seriously think that Adams first choice as cover for Taylor would have been a crock from Scunthorpe do you? Or that a rookie from West Ham was first choice to replace Toums? Bit of a mainstream PASOTI argument in all truth.Think you need to get some perspective abouut what Adams has actually achieved at Argyle as well.I certainly don't agree with everything he says or does but when it boils down to it,the guy has rebuilt a squad virtually from scratch after a play off failure and taken it to a level which most supporters [including most on ATD]would have thought impossible and on very apparent budgetary restrictions-thats some haunting in my book, hope the next man can haunt just as well.

Nothing i said can be twisted as a dig towards Adam's and what he has done here in anyway. My point is where we all blame brent for his lack of investment in the team which is fact of course we seem to give del a wide birth when its him who moved on 3 strikers and brought in 1 injury prone crock when we already alongside the other injury prone striker.

Beyond a strong 11 we are fecked basically for any options to call apon and that's harming us. Del takes his share for that regardless of his good record.

Yep Jimmy was pleading to reinforce the squad in January and Del wouldn't have it, the stubborn bastard. You'd only need a small tweak to be accepted back on the farm Angers, just add "it's his stubbornness to change the system that has cost us the playoffs." Have a word with yourself bhey.

Punchdrunk wrote:

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Think we’re going to need to win all 3 to make it now.

Not a hope in hell with the injuries we have know. Burnt out at the business end of the season once again. Bit of a common occurence under the Austerity one ?!

Even last year we had a little wobble at the end although thankfully it only cost us the title and not promotion.

Agree it looks unlikely. Only lurking hope is that if Taylor comes back and Sarcevic came through last night unscathed, we will have our first XI back on the pitch.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Yep Jimmy was pleading to reinforce the squad in January and Del wouldn't have it, the stubborn bastard. You'd only need a small tweak to be accepted back on the farm Angers, just add "it's his stubbornness to change the system that has cost us the playoffs." Have a word with yourself bhey.

What would you call it then? If it wasn't down to stubbornness to see the wood through the trees and change his belief in a system that leaves us with a strong 11 and nothing afterwards would he have not done what the likes of Warnock or Sturrock do and challenge the owner not continually back him?

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Just read that fake yank postcode comment on there about two strikers being enough... FFS he clearly doesnt have his own balls they are clearly in nool's pocket.

Earwegoagain wrote:

Even if we went up we'd have our arses kicked straight out of the CCC.

I disagree and firmly believe that if you have the chance for promotion you have to take it.

There are so many basket clubs out there (Sunderland, Birmingham, Forest) who seem to be "bigger" but their performance on the pitch is a shambles. Yes, Brent would probably find a way to screw it up but what's the point if you don't give it a go.

Dick Trickle wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Even if we went up we'd have our arses kicked straight out of the CCC.

I disagree and firmly believe that if you have the chance for promotion you have to take it.

There are so many basket clubs out there (Sunderland, Birmingham, Forest) who seem to be "bigger" but their performance on the pitch is a shambles. Yes, Brent would probably find a way to screw it up but what's the point if you don't give it a go.

Chances for promotion don't come along that often, so we have to try to capitalise when one is there.

I might buy the 'not ready for promotion' argument if I felt things really were on the rise. Back in the first Sturrock era, it was acceptable to finish 8th in the first season back in the 3rd division because there was a good chance we'd build on it the following season. So it proved by finishing as champions. It's not the same now though...we're just as likely to be fighting a relegation back to the basement next season if we don't go up because the manager and the handful of decent players in the squad have buggered off.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Dick Trickle wrote:

Earwegoagain wrote:

Even if we went up we'd have our arses kicked straight out of the CCC.

I disagree and firmly believe that if you have the chance for promotion you have to take it.

There are so many basket clubs out there (Sunderland, Birmingham, Forest) who seem to be "bigger" but their performance on the pitch is a shambles. Yes, Brent would probably find a way to screw it up but what's the point if you don't give it a go.

Chances for promotion don't come along that often, so we have to try to capitalise when one is there.

I might buy the 'not ready for promotion' argument if I felt things really were on the rise. Back in the first Sturrock era, it was acceptable to finish 8th in the first season back in the 3rd division because there was a good chance we'd build on it the following season. So it proved by finishing as champions. It's not the same now though...we're just as likely to be fighting a relegation back to the basement next season if we don't go up because the manager and the handful of decent players in the squad have buggered off.

Innocent Egbunike wrote:

Think we’re going to need to win all 3 to make it now.

Win all three is the mission now, but will they though ?. Rotherham has now become a huge game.

I see there were one or two EFL managers at the game last night.

Rotherham have hit form again, sadly. If Taylor’s still out it’s difficult to see anything other than defeat or a scraped point, at best. It isn’t just about Taylor though. Taylor doesn’t need to be in the team for Carey and Lameiras to carve out a bit of individualistic magic. But that’s even dried up.

Czarcasm wrote:

Rotherham have hit form again, sadly. If Taylor’s still out it’s difficult to see anything other than defeat or a scraped point, at best. It isn’t just about Taylor though. Taylor doesn’t need to be in the team for Carey and Lameiras to carve out a bit of individualistic magic. But that’s even dried up.

Point is though Czar is that Carey and Lameiras function best when there's a target man in the Sims/Evans/Taylor mould up front-players like that can bring those two into the game whereas when Jervis or Grant have been in the team the tendency has been to go long to capitalise on their perceived strength of pace and bypass the midfield.That would be where the budgetary issue comes in-Church is of that type but represented a fitness gamble and Argyle should have been going for something with a bit more certainty,the situation has been replicated so many times over the years and never pays in the end.

You watch were beat Rotherham & Scunny The two hardest games only to W#%K it off in true Argo style
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