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Shame..........because he was sure to have 'bled green'.
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Poor old DA. Running out of barrels to scrape.

Get out of my club brent! NOW
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Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!
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What a feckin joke
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptyFri Jan 26, 2018 8:41 pm

There's probably blame on both sides here, but I find it hard to believe that there isn't some form of computerised system that should easily flag up instantly whether a player is eligible or not for a further loan.
One thing's for certain though, if there's an administrative fcuk up to be had, Smarmes and Jon Back would be nailed on to find it.
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptyFri Jan 26, 2018 8:57 pm

you would have thought they would have spotted that claring fact before they made a bid and went public.

embarrassing from the club but to us its everyday.
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Czarcasm wrote:
There's probably blame on both sides here, but I find it hard to believe that there isn't some form of computerised system that should easily flag up instantly whether a player is eligible or not for a further loan.
One thing's for certain though, if there's an administrative fcuk up to be had, Smarmes and Jon Back would be nailed on to find it.

It took me all of 30 seconds to discover that Grant had played for two clubs this season. Search ‘Conor Grant Everton’ on soccerbase and hey presto, there it is.
This is basic administration that couldn’t be simpler.
Even worse is the thought that they had done this but didn’t know the rule.
Amateurs at best and idiots at worst.
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tigertony wrote:
Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!

That, sir, is a very good point.
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 10:02 am

Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Czarcasm wrote:
There's probably blame on both sides here, but I find it hard to believe that there isn't some form of computerised system that should easily flag up instantly whether a player is eligible or not for a further loan.
One thing's for certain though, if there's an administrative fcuk up to be had, Smarmes and Jon Back would be nailed on to find it.

It took me all of 30 seconds to discover that Grant had played for two clubs this season. Search ‘Conor Grant Everton’ on soccerbase and hey presto, there it is.
This is basic administration that couldn’t be simpler.
Even worse is the thought that they had done this but didn’t know the rule.
Amateurs at best and idiots at worst.
You nailed it Rollo, it all stinks of clueless amateurs who could not run a bath let alone a football club.
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 10:08 am

Sad but true Suffers, as Rollo said the onus is on the buying club to check out the eligibility of the target player.
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Sad but true Suffers, as Rollo said the onus is on the buying club to check out the eligibility of the target player.
The upshott of Akkies faliure to keep Toums out of the clutches of 3000 fan Fleetwood, and Starnes/backo Brento, schoolboy fvckup over Grant, means a truly Dogshit loan/jobcenter signing will be on his way.
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 10:21 am

Sir Francis Drake wrote:
tigertony wrote:
Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!

That, sir, is a very good point.

Look for the rules to be tweaked again next year to rid us of this troublesome irrelevance and so continue to support the premier rack and stack football supermarket hoarding. Can't wait to see who the profiteer 's apprentice brings in now instead of fly by night Grant who bleeds every colour of the rainbow
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 11:41 am

beesrus wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
tigertony wrote:
Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!

That, sir, is a very good point.

Look for the rules to be tweaked again next year to rid us of this troublesome irrelevance and so continue to support the premier rack and stack football supermarket hoarding. Can't wait to see who the profiteer 's apprentice brings in now instead of fly by night Grant who bleeds every colour of the rainbow

Presumably the "profiteers apprentice" would be another dig at Adams? As a manager, do you seriously believe that bringing players in on loan in this way would be Adams first choice of MO rather than retaining the talents of Tounami or signing another player of pedigree and experience? You must be living in a rather peculiar alternate universe if you think that Adams or any other manager would have much choice in the matter and in fairness the system has worked to Argyles benefit in recent seasons with the signing of players such as Bryan, Reid, Boateng, Matt and Kennedy being instrumental in first of all avoiding relegation to non league and then in reaching the play offs and eventual promotion. I don't particularly like it that way but that's the way it is and it isn't a new phenomenon either-people like Dave Smith and Ken Brown also used the loan market to their advantage in years gone by.
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 1:27 pm

There is no comparison to the loan market of years ago and now. Back when we signed loanees like Jeff Cook or Tommy Tynan they arrived to fill a gap in a squad, much as emergency loan goalies do now, not to actually populate the squad. The player concerned was usually unwanted at his club and the loan deal was often a precursor to a full transfer between the clubs or a way of being put in the shop window for others.

It is all so different now. Clubs like Chelsea have maybe 100 pros on their books many of whom are loaned here and there often for as long as year whereas in the olden days it was for a month. Even more modest teams like Norwich might only have had two goalies... How far down the pecking order there is Remi Matthews, for instance? I've no idea but he can't be in the first two and probably isn't in the next two (no matter how good we think he is) so does Norwich really need 5 decent goalies?

It has all gone a bit daft.
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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptySat Jan 27, 2018 6:57 pm

tigertony wrote:
Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!

I agree with you, this is Everton’s screw up. He’s obviously someone they want to loan out but now can’t. The problem is for Grant is that thanks to that, he can’t put himself in the shop window now and will probably get released in the summer. Unless he’s got a good agent, finding another club is going to be that much harder
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He's bound to find some club or other, having been supping at Everton's teat for 5 years. Even Chadwick found a spot down here, by which time any burgeoning talent had long been forgotten and lost.
Sadly, the rack and stack system appeals to the rather dumb youngsters as much as their lazy number crunching employers showing off their oh so communal academies, knowing full well most of their future line ups will be brought in from elsewhere. By the time the top clubs kick them out, they've long lost the plot and are coached to distraction and institutionally salaried drones with zero chance of cutting it higher than the third/fourth tier, if that. What a waste, considering many of these kids must have had talent when they left school. These kids need first team football right from the start at whatever level they can manage. Horror of horrors, I'm even beginning to think some sort of NFL draft across the football league might be better than the present industry set up.
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Greenskin wrote:
beesrus wrote:
Sir Francis Drake wrote:
tigertony wrote:
Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!

That, sir, is a very good point.

Look for the rules to be tweaked again next year to rid us of this troublesome irrelevance and so continue to support the premier rack and stack football supermarket hoarding. Can't wait to see who the profiteer 's apprentice brings in now instead of fly by night Grant who bleeds every colour of the rainbow

Presumably the "profiteers apprentice"  would be another dig at Adams? As a manager, do you seriously believe that bringing players in on loan in this way would be Adams first choice of MO rather than retaining the talents of Tounami or signing another player of pedigree and experience? You must be living in a rather peculiar alternate universe if you think that Adams or any other manager would have much choice in the matter and in fairness the system has worked to Argyles benefit in recent seasons with the signing of players such as Bryan, Reid, Boateng, Matt and Kennedy being instrumental in first of all avoiding relegation to non league and then in reaching the play offs and eventual promotion. I don't particularly like it that way but that's the way it is and it isn't a new phenomenon either-people like Dave Smith and Ken Brown also used the loan market to their advantage in years gone by.
Now, there is a real Argyle story that will remain in the history books for ever. Arise, King Tommy! king
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beesrus wrote:
He's bound to find some club or other, having been supping at Everton's teat for 5 years. Even Chadwick found a spot down here, by which time any burgeoning talent had long been forgotten and lost.
Sadly, the rack and stack system appeals to the rather dumb youngsters as much as their lazy number crunching employers showing off their oh so communal academies, knowing full well most of their future line ups will be brought in from elsewhere. By the time the top clubs kick them out, they've long lost the plot and are coached to distraction and institutionally salaried drones with zero chance of cutting it higher than the third/fourth tier, if that. What a waste, considering many of these kids must have had talent when they left school. These kids need first team football right from the start at whatever level they can manage. Horror of horrors, I'm even beginning to think some sort of NFL draft across the football league might be better than the present industry set up.

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del bhey has spoken and say the club is at fault for this embarrassing mishap.

a snipet from brents propaganda paper. Adams said:

“We found out on Friday. It was an oversight and the football management team have got to take full responsibility.

“Ourselves and Everton. They obviously knew he had played in the Checkatrade Trophy and had been out on loan.

“We didn’t double check that he had played in the Checkatrade Trophy.

“So as a football department we take the full responsibility of that, but it got to a stage where we filled in the papers.

“We knew the rules, but we didn’t know he had played that one game in the Checkatrade Trophy.”
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Read today that we may have a forward from Bristol City, called Gustav Engwall a 21 year old Swede.
He has been on loan at Djurgardens a Swedish club but the loan move has ended.
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Angry wrote:
del bhey has spoken and say the club is at fault for this embarrassing mishap.

a snipet from brents propaganda paper.  Adams said:

“We found out on Friday. It was an oversight and the football management team have got to take full responsibility.

“Ourselves and Everton. They obviously knew he had played in the Checkatrade Trophy and had been out on loan.

“We didn’t double check that he had played in the Checkatrade Trophy.

“So as a football department we take the full responsibility of that, but it got to a stage where we filled in the papers.

“We knew the rules, but we didn’t know he had played that one game in the Checkatrade Trophy.”

I wonder if that balls up made Derek swear.
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Well, I assume the "football management" team must mean Dell boy himself. Naughty Derek.
Now a case of anyone who qualifies will do. Looking like the team will actually be weaker than it was at the start of the transfer window. Still, they're not looking to win anything, just not get relegated. Reach for the stars, and all that.

The oft stated myth "they don't want to go up" seems like being official public policy these days under  Brent who weirdly states CCC football would mean a 10 million loss. Pure fake propaganda. Does he really think we all believe that ? And now he admits publicly he's in it to turn a tidy profit for his 4 hours a week. Glad I'm not going. Euuuggghhh.
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Hugh Watt wrote:
tigertony wrote:
Unless Argyle checked all the team sheets for all the Everton games then when they said ''available'' why would DA / JB or anyone else question it. Most fingers should be pointing at Everton. Odd that the inclusion of Prem U21 teams in the chekashite trophy to allow ''younger players to get games in order to progress'' has backfired and this young player now can't get a game.
So its 5 days to find Toums twin - jeez!!
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I agree with you, this is Everton’s screw up. He’s obviously someone they want to loan out but now can’t. The problem is for Grant is that thanks to that,  he can’t put himself in the shop window now  and will probably get released in the summer. Unless he’s got a good agent, finding another club is going to be that much harder

It looks like we’re wrong it’s Argyles screw up

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PostSubject: Re: Incoming maybe close   Incoming maybe close - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 29, 2018 10:57 pm

So I've got a very nice Porsche for sale so I circulate that fact to others (adverts etc). Piggy Wiggy turns up to buy it and only then does he find out that it's a Cat A write-off repaired by Billy the welder from Swilly. Piggy Wiggy kicks off and I say ''you should have checked silly Piggy Wiggy'' :pighug:

(In my view, no matter what DA says, it Evertons fault)
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So I've got a very nice Porsche for sale so I circulate that fact to others (adverts etc). Piggy Wiggy turns up to buy it and only then does he find out that it's a Cat A write-off repaired by Billy the welder from Swilly. Piggy Wiggy kicks off and I say ''you should have checked silly Piggy Wiggy''  :pighug:

(In my view, no matter what DA says, it Evertons fault)

if anything its whoever the guy who suggested Grant to Del is at fault.
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