Toumani Diagouraga set to leave

If we cant compete with other so call L1 top end clubs wheres all gate money going as ive said before on gates alone we should be buying yes buying players with club money in the region £100k to £150k easly without putting financial strain on the club whatsoever???

Yet again the oaf unable to keep his mouth shut and once again ridiculed for the wanker he is. No differing opinion allowed on JBSOTI

You never never never learn Newell do you. Better to be thought a complete fool then open your mouth and remove all doubt

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

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zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

But it's not crap talk thought, Zyphers. More fact than fiction. He's a renowned tight arse shyster.

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

His career wasn't off track, having played a reasonable amount of championship football last year. That's the whole point-can't you see? Disturbing comment about "lucky to have him" and "bigger league 1 clubs" a prime example of the lowest common denominator mindset among the fan base that equates to blind acceptance of low standards. All the valid points about very short term contracts, the fact that the guy has played most of his football in the south, etc totally ignored and dismissed with a yawn yawn yawn.

Great post Zyph!

Leeds had off-loaded him....he needed a club....so Adams offered him a short contract...which put him in the shop window.....unless he uprooted his family to a lower placed Div 1 club it was only ever going to be for a short time at Argyle....maybe he never wanted more than three months in a lower league.

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

I've a faint hope that the standard bluffing charade between player/agent to try and coax as much out of the club as possible, could be happening here.

One thing is for sure, TD holds all the aces and he knows his bargaining position is probably as strong as Careys was in the summer.

As has been said before, the telling point won't be if he leaves, but where he actually ends up. There are a very small number of players (GC being the other) that are worth pushing the boundaries of wage structure for, and TD certaining fits that category. It wouldn't matter if his family were in Outer Mongolia...make the right financial offer, and he'd stay.

Outer Mongolia is pretty much all of it apart from Ulaanbaatar FWIW

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

Don't forget....location, location, location... might be more important regarding where his family lives....he might put being near his family more important than anything else....which personally would be very commendable.

edit: wrong wanky jock called steve.

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Outer Mongolia is pretty much all of it apart from Ulaanbaatar FWIW

Was gonna say Vanuatu (VAA-noo-AHH-too) but thought I might be pushing my luck with ATD's readership ....

zyph wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

Don't forget....location, location, location... might be more important regarding where his family lives....he might put being near his family more important than anything else....which personally would be very commendable.

Your cup of naivety floweth over Zyph.

Pay him the wedge on a decent length and he'd move them down here, if necessary.

Czarcasm wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Outer Mongolia is pretty much all of it apart from Ulaanbaatar FWIW

Was gonna say Vanuatu (VAA-noo-AHH-too) but thought I might be pushing my luck with ATD's readership   ....

New Hebrides is easier to pronounce.

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Outer Mongolia is pretty much all of it apart from Ulaanbaatar FWIW

Was gonna say Vanuatu (VAA-noo-AHH-too) but thought I might be pushing my luck with ATD's readership   ....

New Hebrides is easier to pronounce.

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

Don't forget....location, location, location... might be more important regarding where his family lives....he might put being near his family more important than anything else....which personally would be very commendable.

Your cup of naivety floweth over Zyph.

Pay him the wedge on a decent length and he'd move them down here, if necessary.

Realism I think fits the bill better.....I've honestly got no idea if his other half is a Yorkshire lass and she wants to stay near family....a lot prefer that approach to life, and why not.

Czarcasm wrote:

Greenskin wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

Mock Cuncher wrote:

Outer Mongolia is pretty much all of it apart from Ulaanbaatar FWIW

Was gonna say Vanuatu (VAA-noo-AHH-too) but thought I might be pushing my luck with ATD's readership   ....

New Hebrides is easier to pronounce.

Just stick to the old favourite personally.....Timbuctu....a long camel ride to anywhere.

zyph wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

Don't forget....location, location, location... might be more important regarding where his family lives....he might put being near his family more important than anything else....which personally would be very commendable.

Your cup of naivety floweth over Zyph.

Pay him the wedge on a decent length and he'd move them down here, if necessary.

Realism I think fits the bill better.....I've honestly got no idea if his other half is a Yorkshire lass and she wants to stay near family....a lot prefer that approach to life, and why not.

Or she may be French with a lifelong fetish for living in Yorkshire because a flat cap is so similar to a beret.

Who knows?

If she is French we have a ferry that goes there; Leeds does not.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

Don't forget....location, location, location... might be more important regarding where his family lives....he might put being near his family more important than anything else....which personally would be very commendable.

Your cup of naivety floweth over Zyph.

Pay him the wedge on a decent length and he'd move them down here, if necessary.

Realism I think fits the bill better.....I've honestly got no idea if his other half is a Yorkshire lass and she wants to stay near family....a lot prefer that approach to life, and why not.

Or she may be French with a lifelong fetish for living in Yorkshire because a flat cap is so similar to a beret.

Who knows?

If she is French we have a ferry that goes there; Leeds does not.

Or she might like genuine Yorkshire puddings.....(I expect Leeds has an Airport which isn't 50 miles away)

Professional footballers are itinerant workers for 10 years. They follow the crops. "To be nearer my family" is just the public polite excuse that some will swallow, some won't, but everyone has empathy with the ideal. So, a perfect excuse all round really and poor employers like Brent and HR officer Adams get off scot free.
Can anyone name five players in the last 50 years who have left Argyle stating the money/security just wasn't acceptable ? I can't think of one, although Holloway had a pop regarding the budget as a manager. Pro footballers don't speak out of turn, they need their next employer to trust them.

zyph wrote:

Czarcasm wrote:

zyph wrote:

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

zyph wrote:

Diagouraga came to Plymouth hoping to get his career back on track...and he succeeded.....you could say we where lucky to have his quality in the first place.
With his family still settled in the Leeds area and his proven ability now making him a desirable free agent and with bigger Div 1 clubs nearer home....plus the talk of a Championship side interested as well, there isn't much that Argyle can do to keep him....we've put our offer to him, but with the possibility of some northern clubs having bigger budgets, and Diagouraga at an age where one good contract will see him through to possible retirement what else could we have done....being with your family as they grow up is more important than being on the road for hours travelling to see them all the time.

But all this crap talk of cheapskate James Brent not forking out makes a far better story doesn't it.....yawn, yawn, yawn.

If he does end up at a "bigger Div 1 club up north", I assume you mean Wigan or Blackburn, then so be it. Fair enough. They are probably spending money that we could never dream of thanks to PL parachute payments.

But he hasn't gone to one of them yet, has he?

Where he ends up will be telling: just imagine that he rocks up at Doncaster or Rotherham... Surely we could compete with them?

Don't forget....location, location, location... might be more important regarding where his family lives....he might put being near his family more important than anything else....which personally would be very commendable.

Your cup of naivety floweth over Zyph.

Pay him the wedge on a decent length and he'd move them down here, if necessary.

Realism I think fits the bill better.....I've honestly got no idea if his other half is a Yorkshire lass and she wants to stay near family....a lot prefer that approach to life, and why not.

I don't agreeYou obviously don't know much about the modern footballer. They have approx 15 years to accrue as much money as possible.

What is there driving influence? Money
What do they talk about in the dressing room? Money.
What causes most dressing room rifts or divisions? Someone getting more money.

Why is Saturday Diagouragas last game, its because someone else has offered better money on a longer deal. The crap about his location didn't stop him joining us in the first place and it woulnd't stop him staying if we weren't offering shit money.

beesrus wrote:

Professional footballers are itinerant workers for 10 years. They follow the crops. "To be nearer my family" is just the public polite excuse that some will swallow, some won't, but everyone has empathy with the ideal. So, a perfect excuse all round really and poor employers like Brent and HR Adams get off scot free.

It gets said every year but some refuse to face the facts and rather swallow the "to be nearer my family" diatribe. Players are ambitious and they will go play on the moon if that club offered them decent money, had ambition to win things which 99.9% of professional footballers want to win medals and lastly made the effort to show them they are wanted and their careers will benefit from being here for however long it is usually longer than 1 year with an optional 1 year exetension. You are not going to convince the likes of tom pope for example that moving here on that length of contract, settle for less money than other teams that want a goalscroer would pay and show him our training facilities then bullshit him that we are a club that has ambition to be a championship club while investing in clusterfucks.

Most of what zyph said is true Diagouraga probably did come here to get himself in the window cant say i blame him he is a very good player. i dont buy the family in leeds bit as im sure if we were a club he believed in hed move them nearer to Plymouth certainly summertime. The question remains that if what Brent says is true (stop laughing in the back) then surely making Diagouraga an offer he cant refuse and convince him we are ambitious would be done way before now.

MikeWN wrote:

A few of us were wondering why a Championship player was unattached, and I wonder if we may have found out why? If he thought he was worth more than the market did, a short-term contract at Argyle may just have proved to be a nice little shop window for him.

Is how I see it. The rest is just hand-wringing.

None of us know if Adams offered him longer than 3 months and he simply turned it down; perhaps it just suited both parties at the time.

Argyle could and should have offered him 18 months earlier than they did and we are now clearly playing catch up on the situation but if he can get more wedge elsewhere and/or a longer contract, he's going to go, isn't he?

Let's see where he ends up. Reckon Bolton sounds about right.

tigertony wrote:

MikeWN wrote:

A few of us were wondering why a Championship player was unattached, and I wonder if we may have found out why? If he thought he was worth more than the market did, a short-term contract at Argyle may just have proved to be a nice little shop window for him.

I wonder how many of you have had to face the job vs location vs wage question? The same fans are slagging off the club for not giving Dave a long contract but also slagging off the club for signing ShiftKey on a ''long'' loan. You can't have it both ways!! As for Dave himself - well his family are up north (we believe) and even if they are not and it's a shop window as suggested by MikeWN we cannot compete with Championship clubs where wages are 4 or 5 times Lge 1 wages. We cannot compete with clubs at the top of Lge 1 either. Even if we matched, for example. Wigan or Burton or Birmingham those clubs are still much much nearer home. If he goes then ''thanks and goodbye''. I wonder the reaction though if DA brings in another ''unattached'' player?

I have. I moved twice for the money