Travellers

beesrus wrote:

You're missing the whole point Hugh. Just what on earth were you all doing over there in the first place. Just rocking up a hundred years ago, two hundred years ago, whatever ? No visa, nothing, just breeze right in. Bleddy travellers.

I don't think I am at all. When Malaya, North Borneo and Sarawak decided to unite and become Malaysia, General Sukarno the Indonesian dictator didn't like the idea that a near neighbour might one day match the power of Indonesia itself. Consequently he had his troops invade Malaysian territory on the island of Borneo. Now, the fledgling country understandably only had an embryonic armed forces and were not in a position to defend it's borders with any degree of success, so they 'asked' for British help - even the Kiwi air force sent a squadron of transport aircraft to help out. So, that's where I (and many others) come in because I wasn't 'over there' at all - at the time I was propping up the Naafi bar at RAF Odiham.

If you lend me a microscope I'll see if I can locate that straw you're clutching.

Not that old chestnut Hugh     "we were asked" to march in with tanks and guns. There's always a local squire to offer a cover story. and of course the East India Company doing deals for eternity with the local chiefs was a prime example.
The only reason "Malaysia" was a "fledgling" country is we had already squatted there for eons beforehand. Again, what on earth were we doing there in the first place. Funny how "our" travellers are always in the right, even when 10000 miles away from home, killing people with impunity. Our father spent 6 years in that bleddy jungle during WW2, protecting  "our wonderfully humane empire". Madness.
The hearts and minds thing was always a red herring. A bit like ordinary life. Try whatever works, be nice and listen respectfully, or force them, but the object of the exercise is still the same, subjugation and control, followed by slow cultural imperialism and economic advantage if at all possible. Bleddy travellers.

Am I a Traveller, Beezy?  Is anyone who steps outside of their own front door?

Jeez you take a word and take it to the ridiculous.  Your argument is a complete nonsense and completely unrelated to the bunch of thieving scoundrels the rest of us are talking about.

Exactly. Just who is a traveller, is it a bad thing, and who gets to define it ?
Thieving is quite a different matter. There needs to be more common land in the old sense, like there always was until rich thieves just decided to steal it all for their sport and own selfish economic advantage.

harvetheslayer wrote:

I wonder if one us parked an insured/taxed Motorhome on the same site how long we would be tolerated....

S'funny you said that...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/motorist-slapped-parking-fine-council-11104199

And this...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4393728/travellers-camp-manchester-hospital-heart-operation-allowed-free-parking/And this...

Any attempt to imply Gypsy travellers are a favoured demographic in this country is frankly risible. One only has to read some of the comments on here to see just how they are treated in general.

There are many laws in this country and they are supposedly there to protect all of us. If people want those protections removed I suggest they vote UKIP/BNP/KJN or whatever, or get out on the streets and demonstrate/change the situation, rather than sniping from the terrace/semi. Certain groups are without a doubt sometimes above the law when it really gets serious, but it certainly isn't bottom of the rung travellers.
There are many laws when one is about on the lanes and byways of England, but most people are ignorant of their rights, and that's how the establishment like it. Football fans often have their rights badly abused, but they do next to nothing about it, just carp and have a pint. Travelling sorts obviously have taken the trouble to find out those rights, the resulting expensive legal processes, and are prepared to fight their corner.

At this point I feel it worth repeating my original point that I strongly object to anyone, travellers as well as the likes of J Brent, abusing a much loved municipal park with their vehicles. I hope you'll all be with pen in hand writing to the council equally condemning Brent's plans for even more vehicles in the park and Higher Home Park. Again it was the taverners of his football club who were the first to ask to churn the mud with their vehicles on Loves Field every week, not a bunch of holidaymakers.

'Any attempt to imply Gypsy travellers are a favoured demographic in this country is frankly risible'

I appreciate it's the Sun, so may not have felt it necessary to read the link provided, and they will (the sun) deserve all they get if the portrayed story is a lie but it does appear that visitors are charged £15 per day to visit the hospital and the travellers four vans are not charged at all. If the story is true then attempting to defending this treatment is clearly itself risible.

beesrus wrote:

Not that old chestnut Hugh     "we were asked" to march in with tanks and guns. There's always a local squire to offer a cover story. and of course the East India Company doing deals for eternity with the local chiefs was a prime example.
The only reason "Malaysia" was a "fledgling" country is we had already squatted there for eons beforehand. Again, what on earth were we doing there in the first place. Funny how "our" travellers are always in the right, even when 10000 miles away from home, killing people with impunity. Our father spent 6 years in that bleddy jungle during WW2, protecting  "our wonderfully humane empire". Madness.
The hearts and minds thing was always a red herring. A bit like ordinary life. Try whatever works, be nice and listen respectfully, or force them, but the object of the exercise is still the same, subjugation and control, followed by slow cultural imperialism and economic advantage if at all possible. Bleddy travellers.

Your dad spent 6 years with the 14th army? I take my hat off to him. I was only there 2 1/2 years - any longer and I would have got a heap of tax back.

No tanks in Borneo Mr B as there was no roads (no maps of any use either) along the border and transportation was limited hovercraft and small boats, plus old fashioned foot slogging. Re-supply of food and ammo was done by air from RAF Kuching.

As for Malaya and the Empire, I should tread warily because thanks to Britain, who introduce the rubber tree (via Kew Gardens) to Malaya in the late 19th century, they are now the 3rd largest supplier of rubber in the world. India, who also benefited from Kew's largesse, just happen to be in forth place. Nice little earners, don't you think?

Your retort regarding hearts an minds confirms to me that you really, really, really don't know what you are on about. The SAS placed great store in their dealings with Iban tribesman who acted as scouts and guides - also, they still did a bit of headhunting on the side. SAS medics would care for the sick and gifts were handed around as a sign of friendliness and trust. I can't recall the title of the book, but there's a story that an Indonesian sergeant who brutally murdered a captured SAS trooper. The SAS obtained a photograph of this sergeant and put a price on his head. Later they were contacted by the Iban to say the job was done. The SAS paid up.

PatDunne wrote:

'Any attempt to imply Gypsy travellers are a favoured demographic in this country is frankly risible'

I appreciate it's the Sun, so may not have felt it necessary to read the link provided,  and they will (the sun) deserve all they get if the portrayed story is a lie but it does appear that visitors are charged £15 per day to visit the hospital and the travellers four vans are not charged at all. If the story is true then attempting to defending this treatment is clearly itself risible.

The same report is in the Mail and Express, Pat. Okay, so they're right wing papers, but there must be some truth in it.

As for the camper van, well, fancy seeing that in the mirror! I really feel quite faint.

I have had many reasons to visit Derriford in the last 20 years, and like most people, some horrible reasons, some not so. I have never, ever paid parking charges, and I wish other people would do the same. Bus, taxi, walk/cycle if you're able, drop offs from friends/family/ point blank refuse to pay, whichever is your bag. We all have a choice, and we all have the potential power to get rid of those charges. Travellers are definitely more organised in such matters.

beesrus wrote:

Any attempt to imply Gypsy travellers are a favoured demographic in this country is frankly risible.

Hmmm, click onto the Mirror story and see what council spokesman Nick Yates has to say in the last paragraph.

What exactly does that imply?

No idea .... fake news ? ... that's the go to riposte of the right these days, isn't it ?
Don't tell me, scroungers on benefits get free parking. I've made my point, and this is going nowhere but the usual place for a football forum.

no such thing as fake left wing news of course.

PatDunne wrote:

no such thing as fake left wing news of course.

Of course there is, it was called Blairism recently. Further left, Stalin had a good old chuckle while turning to the dark side. It's always been around, but not all communally shared "news" is corrupt. Billionaire barons like Trump pretending to be "for the people"  have an interest in decrying absolutely everything that is spoken publicly in democratic forum. That way, their money or current influence talks louder. Murderers defend their actions using the same technique, saying everyone has the potential to kill and hence removing the morality from their actions. It's all hogwash and street trader chirp. In effect, Trump is an anarchist, where everything is fake.

beesrus wrote:

PatDunne wrote:

no such thing as fake left wing news of course.

Billionaire barons like Trump pretending to be "for the people"...

Not a billionaire by any means, but you really would have thought that this particular man of the people, would, at the end of his life, remained faithful to his writings from which he became a very rich man.


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/eric-hobsbawm-champagne-communism/comment-page-2/

More travellers arrive in London, this time from FC Cologne

BBC news

BBC wrote:

"They did throw bottles and let off flares, but there was no significant disorder, police were on scene and there have been no arrests.

So, as Rickler asked earlier in this thread, why no arrests of these latest travellers clearly breaking the law ? .

beesrus wrote:

More travellers arrive in London, this time from FC Cologne

BBC news

BBC wrote:

"They did throw bottles and let off flares, but there was no significant disorder, police were on scene and there have been no arrests.

So, as Rickler asked earlier in this thread, why no arrests of these latest travellers clearly breaking the law ? .

Congrats on another worthless post on a subject you use as a means to push your post count along. I'm sure you'll reach your 1,000 before the weekend arrives and your 3,000 before Christmas.

You could rewrite the old arrested for having fat lips and an Afro sketch with driving a transit and laying Tarmac. Jeez.

beesrus wrote:

I have had many reasons to visit Derriford in the last 20 years, and like most people, some horrible reasons, some not so. I have never, ever paid parking charges, and I wish other people would do the same. Bus, taxi, walk/cycle if you're able, drop offs from friends/family/ point blank refuse to pay, whichever is your bag. We all have a choice, and we all have the potential power to get rid of those charges. Travellers are definitely more organised in such matters.

But surely bus, taxi, the fiver you give to your mate for fuel is the same cash you could have dropped in the 'pay and display' and you get total flexibility.