Response to James Brent

It can't be just me worried about poor Mr Brent, it's plain that he has 'issues'.....

The money given to Brent on the Pavillions handover was to cover unavoidable losses that were already written into the existing failed business model. I have no problem with the theory behind that as such, and Brent was soon able to "reduce overheads" to get rid of the losses. In fact similar unavoidable losses for the first two years were written into the PCC/Brent Argyle rescue package.
Where I have a problem is noises from Brent/Akkeron/developers/whoever saying that the huge amount of commercial floor space planned at HHP is necessary to fund the new "ice rink" arena. Well, I would have thought being given for the princely sum of £1, extremely valuable real estate at the pavilions along with the expensive arena buildings and business was ample money to fund a new ice rink on 450K of HHP land.

So, why does the ice rink have to be funded twice ? That's what I would like to know. I thought all Home Park/HHP commercial permissions were to fund a new grandstand/completed stadium, that is now only a refurb at the fans' expense over the next 25 years. I'm seeing double. Something stinks, and with all the sly presentations, timings, and continuing lack of transparency,  its no wonder many fans are not happy.
This whole development, after the football debt was paid off, was the only real chance the club had to actually make some money out of it's residence in the park and the council's white elephant ice rink, and look at just what it's getting, and what Brent stands to make.

^^
Rest assured absolutely bugger all will get built anyway....Hallett will be moving for a return of his £4.1 million soonest

As soon as the 'Windsor Boys' gave their seal of approval, it was clear that he was a wrong'un.

As Frank once said about the chief jamboy, 'He actually seems to believe his own lies'.

Cognitive dissonance; Festinger knew it and so does Mocky C; it's difficult for most people to accept the idea that they sometimes engage in deceptive or unethical behaviour. People react to the contradiction between their desired image (ie philanthropist, nerd, whatever) and their behaviour (ie banker, leech, you name it) by attacking the person or people who pointed out the inconsistency. Surrounding oneself with yes men and chauffeurs reduces the dissonance, fore shore.

harvetheslayer wrote:

akagreengull wrote:

RegGreen wrote:

So jimbo didnt like rickers question about the money..well heres another one..whats happened to the 150k that brent borrowed from the club coffers in a loan to prop up the the pavillions has that been returned yet and what intrest did he charge himself for said loan and what are the terms of so called repayments id like to know..as it was on the club accounts they finally had to produce a few months back  it said of 150k loan to the pavillions but didnt say lenght of the loan & what the repayments were..and what happened to the million pound sweetner the council gave jimmy in the first place to take the over the pavillions wheres that gone jimmy that you have to borrow 150k from the club to prop up your other failing ventures

Your comments and questions are typical of the undermining of PAFC on this poisonous and vile forum.
James Brent, transparent as sewer water.

Disgusting vile individuals you will burn in hell......

 i prefered it when we freaks & wierdos

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways! I'm almost out of popcorn.

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

Dirty Cornish Bastard

yet you post on this vile, poisonous website....

zyph wrote:

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

We've already started legal proceedings, we're suing for 100k but realistically expect to win a packet of pork scratchings.

zyph wrote:

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

zyph wrote:

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

when has rickler abused brent zpyh?

well he did ask that 'tricky' question..

Elias wrote:

zyph wrote:

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

when has rickler abused brent zpyh?

Agreed he hasn't and he didn't......the hard facts are that Brent has simply no social skills whatsover to respond to a perfectly reasonable question

Yea Man wrote:

zyph wrote:

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

We've already started legal proceedings, we're suing for 100k but realistically expect to win a packet of pork scratchings.

We have not heard from Rick, We do not know how he has taken it, has he jumped off the Grand Canyon?

zyph wrote:

.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

What nonsense  
Get real. It's quite the opposite. It's the likes of us oiks that have never in the past had the right to give opinion publicly and have had to suffer the local squire's whims and vitriol without recourse.  The likes of Brent have always had the "press" owned by themselves, to hand out their edicts and bile, and still do.
Thankfully, those days are gone for now as publications like the herald shrink and shrink.

Long live the public voice, long live free access to universally read public forums. At least we concentrate on the matters at hand. He didn't even answer the question. So, so typical. And yes, Rickler, to my knowledge, has not abused this latest owner of the club, that's not his style. He just clearly asks straight questions.

Tgwu wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

zyph wrote:

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

We've already started legal proceedings, we're suing for 100k but realistically expect to win a packet of pork scratchings.

We have not heard from Rick, We do not know how he has taken it, has he jumped off the Grand Canyon?

Too busy lying around on his sun lounger i reckons.

alannotivvy wrote:

Tgwu wrote:

Yea Man wrote:

zyph wrote:

tigertony wrote:

I'm not taking sides here but it is a little ironic that many posters on here give JB, SH, players and other club staff a constant stream of abuse but when JB gives some back there is ''hell up'' Tracer works both ways!      I'm almost out of popcorn.

Steady on TT....your not allowed to say that.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

TT....I think you should withdraw your "ironic" comment and apologize to this website....they'll start to abuse you as well without a second thought otherwise.

We've already started legal proceedings, we're suing for 100k but realistically expect to win a packet of pork scratchings.

We have not heard from Rick, We do not know how he has taken it, has he jumped off the Grand Canyon?

Too busy lying around on his sun lounger i reckons.

He's on his holibobs. Letting the train take the strain across the US. I'm sure he'll have something to say about all of this soon enough.

beesrus wrote:

zyph wrote:

.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

What nonsense  
Get real. It's quite the opposite. It's the likes of us oiks that have never in the past had the right to give opinion publicly and have had to suffer the local squire's whims and vitriol without recourse.  The likes of Brent have always had the "press" owned by themselves, to hand out their edicts and bile, and still do.
Thankfully, those days are gone for now as publications like the herald shrink and shrink.

Long live the public voice, long live free access to universally read public forums. At least we concentrate on the matters at hand. He didn't even answer the question. So, so typical. And yes, Rickler, to my knowledge, has not abused this latest owner of the club, that's not his style. He just clearly asks straight questions.

Trying to be devils advocate i think Zyph was generalising with his "abuse" comment as there was definitely no abuse within Rickler's question to Brent, an example of the abuse that Zyph may have been referring to was the recent headed post which referred to Brent with the C word, which although may have been instigated by an alien, was certainly followed by ATD posters.
By all means let's continue the scrutiny but we do ourselves no favours by resorting to the familiar abusive sound bites that normally follow anybody who posts with a constructive perspective.

Graiser wrote:

beesrus wrote:

zyph wrote:

.....there is a difference between the righteous type of continuous abuse that spills out of the mouths of some on here and the response that James Brent gave in defence.....don't you realize that he has to take it forever... without once having the right to have a pop back.....you'll learn the rules one day.....remember this is not the real world.....just the world that Alice in Wonderland would have felt very much at home in.

What nonsense  
Get real. It's quite the opposite. It's the likes of us oiks that have never in the past had the right to give opinion publicly and have had to suffer the local squire's whims and vitriol without recourse.  The likes of Brent have always had the "press" owned by themselves, to hand out their edicts and bile, and still do.
Thankfully, those days are gone for now as publications like the herald shrink and shrink.

Long live the public voice, long live free access to universally read public forums. At least we concentrate on the matters at hand. He didn't even answer the question. So, so typical. And yes, Rickler, to my knowledge, has not abused this latest owner of the club, that's not his style. He just clearly asks straight questions.

Trying to be devils advocate i think Zyph was generalising with his "abuse" comment as there was definitely no abuse within Rickler's question to Brent, an example of the abuse that Zyph may have been referring to was the recent headed post which referred to Brent with the C word, which although may have been instigated by an alien, was certainly followed by ATD posters.
By all means let's continue the scrutiny but we do ourselves no favours by resorting to the familiar abusive sound bites that normally follow anybody who posts with a constructive perspective.

Graiser wrote:

By all means let's continue the scrutiny but we do ourselves no favours by resorting to the familiar abusive sound bites that normally follow anybody who posts with a constructive perspective.

Hang on a minute Graiser
You're deliberately confusing constructive criticism with passive acceptance of the latest owner. Where have you, yourself, or Zyph for that matter, once offered a constructive perspective that hasn't included the classic passive victim stance of " let's just wait and see". Your "constructive" input is the same old "the squire knows best, give him a chance". He's had six years of chance. Come on, give me an example of your much vaunted "constructive perspective"  

Abuse on here is part and parcel of online forums, especially football forums, and as always it shouldn't go too far. I get abuse on here, but it's not because I give constructive criticism, which I do, it's purely because people disagree with me or don't like the gist of my underlying argument, or maybe just don't like me personally.

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

By all means let's continue the scrutiny but we do ourselves no favours by resorting to the familiar abusive sound bites that normally follow anybody who posts with a constructive perspective.

Hang on a minute Graiser
You're deliberately confusing constructive criticism with passive acceptance of the latest owner. Where have you, yourself, or Zyph for that matter, once offered a constructive perspective that hasn't included the classic passive victim stance of " let's just wait and see". Your "constructive" input is the same old "the squire knows best, give him a chance". Come on, give me an example of your much vaunted "constructive perspective"

Abuse on here is part and parcel of online forums, especially football forums, and as always it shouldn't go too far. I get abuse on here, but it's not because I give constructive criticism, which I do, some of which is time for the owner to move on ..... it's purely because people disagree with me or don't like the gist of my underlying argument, or maybe just don't like me personally.

I'm not confusing anything, Zyph responded to TT with a response which I read to be very much tongue in cheek, following which they both received the typical responses, i may be incorrect but it seems to me that any poster that may have an alternative view to the majority gets shot down rather than indulge in some constructive debate.
I just imagined being sat in a meeting with Brent and his mates, members of ATD and any other fans forum.

The dialogue:

ATD reps lead the meeting with:

"Well Brenty boy you F and C, your a shyster, your ripping the fans off, your a profiteering W----r and it's about you shipped out you C"

Whilst it may give satisfaction to some of those amongst us, I don't think we would get very far, would you ?