Leyton Orient

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

Relax Freathy we fecked up but be realistic if we had held on for 3 more minutes everyone would have been saying great rearguard action.
We didnt so we move on to Pool. 16 to go....

Thought Argyle were really poor second half. But so what ? you would think the world is ending.

Lots of points to play for, im sure they will be fine and go up,

Could have closed the gap up last night though

harvetheslayer wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

if we had held on for 3 more minutes everyone would have been saying great rearguard action.

Very true Harve. Like everyone was saying of the defending against Liverpool.  
Pot luck when you do nothing but defend. You either draw or you lose.

One of those shit nights when following any club, personally think we should have won, definitely give Orient credit for having a go even if they played shit dirty at times. Two bad looking injuries, and a seriously shit result, only consolations were Kennedy was excellent and Donny lost.
No way is promotion nailed on at the moment, and my train took an age to get back due to engineering works, wish I had stayed at home.

beesrus wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

if we had held on for 3 more minutes everyone would have been saying great rearguard action.

Very true Harve. Like everyone was saying of the defending against Liverpool.  
Pot luck when you do nothing but defend. You either draw or you lose.

Let it go Beez, let it go.

30 goal attempts last night, 14-16 in their favour, so neither side did 'nothing but defend'. Great game for the neutral in fact.

beesrus wrote:

harvetheslayer wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

if we had held on for 3 more minutes everyone would have been saying great rearguard action.

Very true Harve. Like everyone was saying of the defending against Liverpool.  
Pot luck when you do nothing but defend. You either draw or you lose.

Back to the Liverpool scenario. Look, i've never been a "you don't go to games so you're not entitled to an opinion" type but maybe it would pay sometimes for you to actually see the evidence for yourself rather than drawing analogies between two totally different games in the name of point scoring. For a team which apparently does nothing but defend, five goals in two home games is actually a pretty good return and should be enough to guarantee four points minimum, six points in probability. Five minutes before Orient equalised last night, Argyle hit the post which even you must admit is rather difficult for a team to achieve if encamped in their own penalty area. Ditto Kennedy hitting the post earlier. Plain truth is that Argyle lost the game last night because of poor defending, not any tactical masterplan to put up a blanket a la Liverpool. For sure Orient had more pressure in the second half but then, if Argyle were in the same boat and 2-1 down away from home, presumably you would expect them to have a crack at getting an equaliser? There were two main reasons for the defeat last night-the failure throughout the match to handle their number 11,nasty little shit but very dangerous, and the failure to deal with a two bob cross into the penalty area which i'm fairly convinced Bradley would have gobbled up. Certainly you can question the oft stated "better strength in depth this year" point of view on that evidence but to suggest that Argyle deliberately sat back for the entire 45 minutes last night is utterly fallacious I'm afraid.

Calm down Skinny, I'm only winding you up.

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

Well blow me down with a feather....I would have sworn blind that those injuries where caused by Orient.....how did Brent do that.....he wasn't on the team sheet.

Oh well, move on to Hartlepool United and hopefully three points. Let us hope the injuries are not too long lasting.

0 points is 0 points.

Despite playing some lovely football, and Sawyer's first 45 minutes in particular must have been amongst the best halves he has ever played, last night and being clearly the better side we lost.

How could this have happened?

The injuries obviously didn't help. Sonny Bradley seemed bothered by his hamstring towards the end of the Exeter game and only lasted about 15 minutes into this. Hindsght is 20/20 and all that but it looks as if he shouldn't have started so that's one down to either us as a club or him as a player for making a poor decision.

Secondly the injury to Sarcevic: I didn't see what happened to pass much comment on the incident as it happened but he had to be helped off the pitch and could put no weight on his left ankle. Ankles are funny things and can recover very quickly but on the other hand...

I fear the worst for each of them. Could well be 3 or 4 weeks out at a time when the games come thick and fast.

Next up: The Referee. What a complete clown!! That was one of the weakest refereeing performances I have ever seen and the signs were there early when he carded Hunt: having whistled for the FK he gestured that Hunt come to him but Hunt ignored him and backed away; the ref gestured again and he backed away further; eventually the ref must have walked about 10-12 steps towards the player before brandishing the yellow. Intolerably weak stuff and let Orient know that he could be influenced.

After that there was an incident with a ball boy behind the BPE goal. A ballboy, who had been impressively tardy to react all evening, held on to the ball for a bit when Orient were awarded a corner. An Orient player ran over to him and quite aggressively snatched the ball from his arms and the ballboy went over. No matter how you interpret the ballboy's action here the player simply had to be dismissed. Not even a yellow card was shown.

Finally their winning-goal scorer went down after a challenge and stayed down. Donaldson had just done the same (they both went down with a yelp) and the Orient player ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?) who fouled Donaldson was cautioned. Their player had barely been touched (the incident happened immediately in front of where I was sitting so I could not have had a better view). Orient's attack petered out and Argyle broke running right past the "injured" player who by now was holding his head. The ref stopped play. After "treatment" to his leg he went off where he waited pitchside to come back on whilst getting some stick from the crowd (which he spat 3 times towards). On the restart Orient firstly contested the ball when possession should have been ours and then kicked it out near the corner flag so we had to play out from the worst possible position. There was a whole host of things wrong here; so many it is hard to know where to start.

None of which would have mattered had we not hit the post when it seemed easier to score. And even after hitting the post it looked to me as though the ball had crossed the line (not that I had a great view of it) but no goal was given.

The effect of all of this was that apart from exerting some footballing control onto a game they also exerted some refereeing control too. Eventually they caused chaos and scored. Then they did the same again with Mr Spitting the hero of the hour.

Why can't we adapt our game to playing teams (Wycombe is another) like this? Every time we come up against a truly cynical "professional" side we just seem to crumple.

But all that said it was a great game to watch; Orient looked nothing like a relegation-threatened team; we still should have won; the referee was as weak as piss.

I feel credit is due for the four transfer window signings,  all have scored and turned out well.

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We have reported the incident to the FA for them to take the appropriate action.

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Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Despite playing some lovely football, and Sawyer's first 45 minutes in particular must have been amongst the best halves he has ever played, last night and being clearly the better side we lost.

How could this have happened?

The injuries obviously didn't help. Sonny Bradley seemed bothered by his hamstring towards the end of the Exeter game and only lasted about 15 minutes into this. Hindsght is 20/20 and all that but it looks as if he shouldn't have started so that's one down to either us as a club or him as a player for making a poor decision.

Secondly the injury to Sarcevic: I didn't see what happened to pass much comment on the incident as it happened but he had to be helped off the pitch and could put no weight on his left ankle. Ankles are funny things and can recover very quickly but on the other hand...

I fear the worst for each of them. Could well be 3 or 4 weeks out at a time when the games come thick and fast.

Next up: The Referee. What a complete clown!! That was one of the weakest refereeing performances I have ever seen and the signs were there early when he carded Hunt: having whistled for the FK he gestured that Hunt come to him but Hunt ignored him and backed away; the ref gestured again and he backed away further; eventually the ref must have walked about 10-12 steps towards the player before brandishing the yellow. Intolerably weak stuff and let Orient know that he could be influenced.

After that there was an incident with a ball boy behind the BPE goal. A ballboy, who had been impressively tardy to react all evening, held on to the ball for a bit when Orient were awarded a corner. An Orient player ran over to him and quite aggressively snatched the ball from his arms and the ballboy went over. No matter how you interpret the ballboy's action here the player simply had to be dismissed. Not even a yellow card was shown.

Finally their winning-goal scorer went down after a challenge and stayed down. Donaldson had just done the same (they both went down with a yelp) and the Orient player ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?) who fouled Donaldson was cautioned. Their player had barely been touched (the incident happened immediately in front of where I was sitting so I could not have had a better view). Orient's attack petered out and Argyle broke running right past the "injured" player who by now was holding his head. The ref stopped play. After "treatment" to his leg he went off where he waited pitchside to come back on whilst getting some stick from the crowd (which he spat 3 times towards). On the restart Orient firstly contested the ball when possession should have been ours and then kicked it out near the corner flag so we had to play out from the worst possible position. There was a whole host of things wrong here; so many it is hard to know where to start.

None of which would have mattered had we not hit the post when it seemed easier to score. And even after hitting the post it looked to me as though the ball had crossed the line (not that I had a great view of it) but no goal was given.

The effect of all of this was that apart from exerting some footballing control onto a game they also exerted some refereeing control too. Eventually they caused chaos and scored. Then they did the same again with Mr Spitting the hero of the hour.

Why can't we adapt our game to playing teams (Wycombe is another) like this? Every time we come up against a truly cynical "professional" side we just seem to crumple.

But all that said it was a great game to watch; Orient looked nothing like a relegation-threatened team; we still should have won; the referee was as weak as piss.

According to a tweet from Sarcevic earlier his injury isn't bad and he'll be OK in no time.

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

You do the "Brent out" campaign no favours by blaming him for 2 injuries, FFS get your head out of your arse

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

You do the "Brent out" campaign no favours by blaming him for 2 injuries, FFS get your head out of your arse

Where has he blamed Brent for the injuries? January saw 2 defenders out and 1 in. We're woefully short, whoever is responsible.

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

You do the "Brent out" campaign no favours by blaming him for 2 injuries, FFS get your head out of your arse

Brent is 100% to blame for this season's capitulation for the same reasons he was to blame for the last 2 seasons' capitulations. Why don't you get your head out of brent's arse.

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

You do the "Brent out" campaign no favours by blaming him for 2 injuries, FFS get your head out of your arse

Brent is 100% to blame for this season's capitulation for the same reasons he was to blame for the last 2 seasons' capitulations.  Why don't you get your head out of brent's arse.

So where is the "capitulation" Freathy, this season, bad loss two nights ago as was the Yeovil result, but we are still in second, think everyone on this forum knows that because we failed to strengthen last January, while all the teams around us did and got promoted it was due to Brent's inept management of the club.
The last time I looked we were still second in the league, obviously no thanks to Brent, hardly a capitulation is it?

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

You do the "Brent out" campaign no favours by blaming him for 2 injuries, FFS get your head out of your arse

Brent is 100% to blame for this season's capitulation for the same reasons he was to blame for the last 2 seasons' capitulations.  Why don't you get your head out of brent's arse.

arnt the players and manager to blame ?

Dane. wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Graiser wrote:

Freathy wrote:

Also two bad injuries means we're right up shit creek.  Season target should be revised down to 7th play-off spot.   Well done brent you've done it again.

You do the "Brent out" campaign no favours by blaming him for 2 injuries, FFS get your head out of your arse

Brent is 100% to blame for this season's capitulation for the same reasons he was to blame for the last 2 seasons' capitulations.  Why don't you get your head out of brent's arse.

arnt the players and manager to blame ?

Absolutely, don't remember Lord Jim running around the HP pitch on Tuesday, although that does make for an amusing image.

Footage of the BallBoy Incident here:

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It was far worse than I recalled and the Ballboy had no time at all to do any different.

Does anyone else find the reaction to this a bit pathetic,

Im not saying that the player is innocent, but the reaction from argyle fans is ridiculous, you would think that the ball boy got picked up and body slammed the way people are carrying on.

I put it to you that had argyle won the game, this would hardly get a mention !

There is simply no defence for this. The ball boy wasn't even wasting time. Something like a six match ban would suffice. What a plonker.

Sending off offence? Hazard was dismissed for an altercation with a ball boy I seem to recall.

This guy gets away with it. That referee was one of the weakest ever seen at Home Park by all accounts.

A despicable act, and the Orient captain should have been booked leading to a sending off.

But hardly a capital offence, worse happens in the school playground everyday.