EU referendum...THE RESULT...and aftermath...

Dominic Raab promises "adequate food".

"The British government will ensure that there are adequate food supplies in case the country is unable to secure an exit deal with the European Union, Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab said on Tuesday. "

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Spam and Um Bongo it its then.

Standard contingency plans Hugh, be foolish not to have them in place however unlikely it is that they'll be needed, got a cracking deal on 48 pot noodles at bookers yesterday, chicken and mushroom obvs.

We shouldn't need to be maiking contingecy plans. Contingency plans like this are what you do in a crisis, which this is.

What about drugs that can't be stockpliled due to reuqiring refridgeration or short half life?

What about the cost which is likely to run into the billions?

It wasn't what was suggested back in the days of buses with £350 million a week for the NHS, nor was "adequate food".

No pain no gain.

Les Miserable wrote:

No pain no gain.

No gain for about 50 years.

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Stout knees fellas.

Not planning for future events would be mental. Tbh this all smacks of a bit of project fear so that we will accept Mays attempts at a soft Brexit.

Can't pull the wool over an educated Socialist's eyes, Oxford obvs, not some two bit Poly.

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Sir Francis Drake wrote:

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One of your teaching aids?

Summary of Brexit so far:

"We'll spend 350m/week extra on the NHS"
"I never said that. No we won't."
"Yes we will."

"Leaving the EU does not mean leaving the single market."
"We can't leave the EU without leaving the single market."

"The benefit of leaving the EU will become immediately obvious."
"It'll be 50 years before we see any benefit."

"The necessary trade deals are the easiest thing in the world and will be sorted in no time."
2 years later no sign of a trade deal with anybody

"We'll trade more with the USA."
"America first. Make America great again."

And then in the last few days alone:


·            PM stockpiling food & medicines
·        Daily Mail considering an HQ move to Ireland
·        Tory MEP says to be pro-EU is treason
·        Boris Johnson plotting with US facist Steve Bannon
·        Nigel Lawson wants to be a French resident
·        Nigel Farage's family applying for German passports
·        Jacob Rees Mogg opening an office in Dublin
·        John Redwood, Jacob Rees Mogg and Lord Ashcroft all advising his clients not to invest in Britain
·        EU announces massive trade deal with Japan
·        Trump and Junckers appear to heading towards tariff-free trade between USA and EU
·        Leave campaign still the only one to have broken electoral law and, by definition, to have been declared criminal
·        Leavers blaming everybody but themselves for the mess

To all those who voted leave. You were promised that everyone would be begging to trade with us, plus 350 million for NHS. You are now told we need to stockpile food and medicine, but things may improve in 50 years time. Remember who lied to you, hint, it wasn’t remainers.

I must say, I wonder how long the Westminster establishment will continue to play the EU blame card, years after the UK has left for Nirvana. It's an easy mark. LOL
I suppose the British have always blamed those across the channel for all the ills of the world, so why would it stop now ? There will be cries of protectionism, even though it is the US and UK that are starting the latest ball rolling. Anyway, if the far right establishment gain control of germany all bets will be off.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Summary of Brexit so far:

"We'll spend 350m/week extra on the NHS"
"I never said that. No we won't."
"Yes we will."

"Leaving the EU does not mean leaving the single market."
"We can't leave the EU without leaving the single market."

"The benefit of leaving the EU will become immediately obvious."
"It'll be 50 years before we see any benefit."

"The necessary trade deals are the easiest thing in the world and will be sorted in no time."
2 years later no sign of a trade deal with anybody

"We'll trade more with the USA."
"America first. Make America great again."

And then in the last few days alone:


·            PM stockpiling food & medicines
·        Daily Mail considering an HQ move to Ireland
·        Tory MEP says to be pro-EU is treason
·        Boris Johnson plotting with US facist Steve Bannon
·        Nigel Lawson wants to be a French resident
·        Nigel Farage's family applying for German passports
·        Jacob Rees Mogg opening an office in Dublin
·        John Redwood, Jacob Rees Mogg and Lord Ashcroft all advising his clients not to invest in Britain
·        EU announces massive trade deal with Japan
·        Trump and Junckers appear to heading towards tariff-free trade between USA and EU
·        Leave campaign still the only one to have broken electoral law and, by definition, to have been declared criminal
·        Leavers blaming everybody but themselves for the mess

To all those who voted leave. You were promised that everyone would be begging to trade with us, plus 350 million for NHS. You are now told we need to stockpile food and medicine, but things may improve in 50 years time. Remember who lied to you, hint, it wasn’t remainers.

But most of what you have outlined above is lies put out there by the US finance industry in their bid to support project fear.

“Project fear”
“You lost, get over it”
“Out means out”
“We voted to leave”

I call Brexit bingo on this thread.

"The Earth is flat because it says so in the Bible."

I wonder why the fishing industry (0.48% of Uk GDP) gets so much sympathy nd agriculture (0.61% of UK GDP doesn’t)

You not like farmers Ears?

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Where do I start on that Hugh? Firstly whatever happens post Brexit the big farmers will get looked after be cause most of the lawmakers of the country and the ones that pay Tory and Labour donations are farmers. Farming has been fecked over massively in the last few decades, we have gone from small dairy herds of forty cows being able to provide a livelihood for two families to herds being amalgamated and getting bigger and bigger being milked automatically and a lot of welfare has gone out of the window. The farms that are milking five hundred cows can't make any money out of it because the supermarkets just import polish milk and set the price at that. The small farmer is a dying breed but they are being allowed to die in the name of business and GDP. Most of the subsidies get paid to big farmers who are more than able to stand on their own two feet anyway. But they will get looked after I gaurantee it.
I would cap farm subsidy at about fifty grand although my millionaire neighbour (ex HSBC bank blighter upper) gets £1.4m for his huge shooting and agro business estate. Never mind it's not our money is it?

I never believed the 350million a week bollox for the nhs and it never influenced me, as for future trading contracts, we’ll there are 53 other members of the commonwealth and amongst them are some serious economies, India, Canada, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand for instance I’m pretty confident we won’t be starving.

As for the alleged companies and persons moving overseas, bugger that’s been going on for years while in the Bleddy EEC, so what’s new.

Graiser wrote:

As for the alleged companies and persons moving overseas, bugger that’s been going on for years while in the Bleddy EEC, so what’s new.

Very true gaffer, wouldn't argue with that. And there'll be little new afterward either, all aboard a slightly different train to the same place, and a few more miles added to our grub. God bless the empire, indian trains coming to Gunnislake, book your roof seat, keep your head down.

beesrus wrote:

Graiser wrote:

 

As for the alleged companies and persons moving overseas, bugger that’s been going on for years while in the Bleddy EEC, so what’s new.

Very true gaffer, wouldn't argue with that. And there'll be little new afterward either, all aboard a slightly different train to the same place, and a few more miles added to our grub. God bless the empire, indian trains coming to Gunnislake, book your roof seat, keep your head down.

The EU Empire? I dont much care for the Empire model.

Remember the £600,000 illegal over-spend by the Leave campaign?

The Leave campaign controlled by Priti Patel, Ian Duncan Smith, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove et al?

The campaign that needlessly spunked £600,000 on a campaign that seemingly didn't influence anybody?

The Leave campaign that relentlessly focussed on immigration despite it seemingly not being anybody's most important issue?

That campaign.

Well 45% of its Facebook advertising (that was the advertising that used the illegally obtained FB files that led to the demise of Cambridge Analytica; they used the info to target FB accounts which then received the ads according whether they had used key words like... (I'm sure you can guess the key words; not nice words)... either in FB messages or their posts so they could be fairly sure that they were targeting racists) focussed on immigration.

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It's no wonder they are feckin Brexit up so badly. After all why go to all that illegal effort and spend all that money illegally on something that had no effect on anybody whatsoever?

It has to bring their judgement on everything into question.

I think they should advertise for some land girls. Get the old Blighty spirit going.

Sir Francis Drake wrote:

Remember the £600,000 illegal over-spend by the Leave campaign?

The Leave campaign controlled by Priti Patel, Ian Duncan Smith, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove et al?

The campaign that needlessly spunked £600,000 on a campaign that seemingly didn't influence anybody?

The Leave campaign that relentlessly focussed on immigration despite it seemingly not being anybody's most important issue?

That campaign.

This, in a nutshell, is why it’s a waste of time disagreeing with you. Someone earlier mentioned about the government produced booklet which clearly backed remain. It cost £9 million of tax payers money which equates to 15 times the amount overspent by the leave campaign yet you continue to ignore it.
The EU ideology is a dream created by a Frenchman so as to stop German hegemony.
The elite’s time is up and i suspect in twenty years time it’ll be back to nation states.

1. I ignore it because it was within the rules. Sorry: law. It was not a criminal act unlike the 600,000 that was overspent and spunked away on a campaign based on more illegally gathered information that nobody seems to have been influenced by.

2. "The elite"?

Nigel Farage MEP was educated at Dulwich College, a fee-paying independent school in south London. His father was a stockbroker who worked in the City of London. On leaving school in 1982, he decided not to go to university, but to work in the City, trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange. Initially, he joined the American commodity operation of brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert, transferring to Crédit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986. He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson MP (ex-Mayor of London, ex-foreign secretary) was educated at the European School of Brussels, Ashdown House School, and Eton College. He studied Classics at Balliol College, Oxford, where he joined the Bullingdon Club and was elected president of the Oxford Union in 1986. Went on to be editor of The Spectator.

Jacob William Rees-Mogg MP leads the hard Eurosceptic European Research Group (ERG). He is the youngest son of William Rees-Mogg a former editor of The Times. Jacob Rees-Mogg was educated at Eton College. He then studied History at Trinity College, Oxford, and was President of the Oxford University Conservative Association. He worked in the City of London for Lloyd George Management until 2007, then co-founded a hedge fund management business, Somerset Capital Management LLP.

George Iain Duncan Smith MP (ex-Leader of the Conservative Party, ex-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions served in the Scots Guards Duncan Smith was the first Catholic to serve as a Conservative Leader, and the first to be born in Scotland since Arthur Balfour. In 2010, The Tablet named him one of Britain’s most influential Catholics.

Nigel Lawson, Baron Lawson of Blaby, prior to entering the Cabinet, he served as the Financial Secretary to the Treasury from May 1979 until his promotion to Secretary of State for Energy. He was appointed as Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lawson oversaw the sudden deregulation of financial markets in 1986, commonly referred to as the "Big Bang" and now sits in the House of Lords. He is also chairman of the climate change sceptic Global Warming Policy Foundation think tank. Currently, Lawson resides in France.

Michael Anthony P. Ashcroft, Baron Ashcroft, KCMG, PC is a British-Belizean businessman and politician. He is a former deputy chairman of the Conservative Party. Ashcroft is the 95th richest person in the UK, as ranked by the Sunday Times Rich List 2017, with an estimated fortune of £1.35 billion. He sat on the Conservative benches of the House of Lords until 2015, having been created a life peer in 2000. His peerage was controversial due to his status as a tax exile. The Cabinet Office stated that he would take up permanent residence in the UK for tax purposes but it was revealed a decade later that he had not done so. Ashcroft holds dual British and Belizean nationality, and is a belonger of the Turks and Caicos Islands. Ashcroft has been Chancellor of Anglia Ruskin University since November 2001. His collection of Victoria Crosses is the largest in the world.

Michael Andrew Gove was Secretary of State for Education and Secretary of State for Justice and Lord Chancellor and was a Chief Whip for the Conservative Party. He was also Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs. He is also an author and a columnist for The Times. Gove attended Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford.





These people are "the Elite". They aren't rebelling against it or pulling it down. They are it. It is them. They'll prop it up in any way they can for as long as they are able.

It might not be illegal but it is immoral. If you don’t recognise this then you are, as sir Humphrey would say, a moral vacuum.

You highlight some of the elites. So what? I said their time is up and the idea of a return to nation states is, in my opinion, unstoppable.